Re: before katrina

On Wed, 30 Aug 2006, Jerry Okamura wrote:

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On Tue, 29 Aug 2006, Fred Ghadry wrote:
The rather ridiculous answer is provided in another thread discussing the centralization of government responsibility and power at the federal level and the abdication of their responsibilities by state and local governments.

I would say that it is an "abdication" of the federal government, when there is no meaning to the word "mandatory evacuation". What the words means is the "government" really really want you to evacuate, but if you do not evacuate, that is your choice. And then of course, we expect the "Government" to go in and bail out those who did not obey the mandatory evacuation order.... But to be fair, "if" the government really meant what they said, i.e. you MUST evacuate, then it is also their responsibility to provide the means for everyone to evacuate.

No. They can enforce the order at a local level. The police should have come in afterwards and picked up the deadheads.

Once the mind-set is established that the Feds are going to solve every problem, the locals can convincingly shrug and say "Hey, it's not my job!".

No. The plan is there for the feds to do their part.

If the "evacuation plan" removes everyone from the city, what is the federal responsibility?

No government was prepared to remove everyone from the city. These folks discuss that: http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/full/117/5/S2/S396 The scene at the Superdome was planned as I read the above.

Which is the key reason we had the problem. No one HAD TO evaculate if they did not want to, and SOME could not evacuate even if they wanted to.

The real problem is that when the Mayor gives the mandatory order that late, then it is difficult for other agencies to act. But if they are prepared, then the evacuation can still happen. Many left prior to the order. The stragglers could still have been moved if the feds were prepared.
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Relevant Pages

  • Re: When the Levees Broke
    ... There was clearly a cancer in New Orleans before Katrina ... government seems ever more inept in dealing with or even understanding ... The ongoing debate between individual responsibility vs government ... should have exercised personal responsibility to evacuate. ...
    (soc.retirement)
  • Re: When the Levees Broke
    ... government seems ever more inept in dealing with or even understanding ... The ongoing debate between individual responsibility vs government ... Here in Earthquake country we all have our earthquake kits to keep us ... should have exercised personal responsibility to evacuate. ...
    (soc.retirement)
  • Re: When the Levees Broke
    ... government seems ever more inept in dealing with or even understanding ... The ongoing debate between individual responsibility vs government ... Here in Earthquake country we all have our earthquake kits to keep us ... should have exercised personal responsibility to evacuate. ...
    (soc.retirement)
  • Re: why?
    ... >>> of Cuba who is going to ignore an edict from the government. ... the cops have no authority to "force" you to leave your house ... like we have seen in New Orleans. ... the Governor to "force" people to evacuate the city. ...
    (soc.retirement)
  • Re: before katrina
    ... another thread discussing the centralization of government responsibility and power at the federal level and the abdication of their responsibilities by state and local governments. ... Once the mind-set is established that the Feds are going to solve every problem, the locals can convincingly shrug and say "Hey, it's not my job!". ... No government was prepared to remove everyone from the city. ...
    (soc.retirement)