Re: Greenpeace cofounder: Go nuclear

On Thu, 20 Apr 2006 20:45:38 GMT, "Jerry Okamura"
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On Thu, 20 Apr 2006 18:23:41 GMT, "Jerry Okamura"
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On Wed, 19 Apr 2006 00:17:06 GMT, "Jerry Okamura"
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No... we need to continue research on better non-fossil fuels and
develop those resources which become feasible. Your comments would
make more sense as an interim stop gap measure.

And what happens if we cannot find alternatives that are cost effective?

Why look to alternatives that are not cost effective?

Because we do it all the time. In Hawaii, our legislators have recently
mandated the use an ethanol mix in our gasoline, haven't they? What
happen
to the price of gasoline as a result....it went up....

No the price of gas has gone up because they have gone up all over the
country. Haven't you been following the gas cap news? The PUC
calculation has gone up for about a month now.

That is also true. But the simple fact is that going to an ethanol mix has
not reduced the price of gasoline, it has increased the price of gasoline.

That's currently because a lot of ethanol has to be shipped in. But
the increase is reportedly small because bigger increases at the
present time come from oil price increases.

And the ethanol mix is not a new mandate. That's why it has been
instituted so fast. Companies here have had years to prepare for this.
People only notice now when it has finally happened.

Well, yes. When you "mandate" something, then it will be implemented...

may is the word, not "will".... you'll note that we are not sustaining
in ethanol because we ship some in. The goal is 10% of the gasoline is
ethanol and produced in Hawaii. IIRC the Maui plant on your island is
also mixing the ethanol with diesel fuel because the cost on Maui is
now way over the national average for a long time. I don't think that
it has been reported to go significantly down on your island since
hurricane Katrina. The big controversy there is do you think that the
cost of diesel is still high on Maui because there is a monopoly on
the product? The refinery denies that and will probably only reveal
numbers which justify the cost if the legislators ever figure out a
way to get figures from the refinery.


Another nice thing is that fossil fuel emissions have been
reduced as a result, and cars have more power and efficiency. If oil
prices continue to rise, then a greater mix which will affect the pump
price will be demanded. BTW, have heard of the super bugs that our
University here is working on. Or just chemical processing to produce
ethanol or something similar. Perhaps we'll also have real cheap
liquor to drink as a by-product in the future.

Well, yes, but it still does not change the fact that it has increased the
cost of fuel for our cars, not decreased it.

That's not the question. The question is how much is it?
.

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