Re: Let's hear it for manliness?

On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 20:42:50 -0800, El Castor
<anyonethere@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:


Rumpelstiltskin <PleaseDoNotReplyByEmail@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:


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I'll take Clinton over Bush any day of the week. He didn't lie
to me or try to mislead me about world or domestic affairs.

Too bad you had to cleverly qualify "he didn't lie to me". Did you
think I wouldn't notice? Of course he lied to you. Even as far as your
qualified statement goes, there were probably numerous lies. He didn't
earn the title "Slick Willy" by being truthful. I will give him this.
For a worthless do-nothing, he was entertaining.



I've never denied, once the truth came out, that Clinton lied
about Monica. I don't care if people lie about sex, in fact
nearly everybody does that. I do care about leading the
country into war and running up the debt.

I don't think I ever said I was sure he was telling the truth,
especially not with "I did not have sex with that woman ...
Miss Lewinsky." Of course, you do remember all the
Republicans who left, or who excused themselves for a
youthful indiscretion they made in their forties. Do you
think they were all truthful before they were found out?
Granted, Clinton did lie under oath, but there was never
a reason other than fishing for something, anything, to pin
on Clinton in court. It had nothing to do with the land
deals that Clinton was originally brought up on. They had
even tried to accuse him of murdering that guy who was
found shot in his car under mysterious circumstances.

I also don't believe that Hillary turned a thousand
dollars into a hundred thousand in one year, in a field in
which she knew nothing, without "friends". She may
not have "known" about it at first, but she sure must have
known about it (without quotes) before the year was out.
I've said that before, repeatedly, so I think my fairness
exceeds yours, for that reason, and for your habit of
finding obscure things and generalizing them to
everybody in a group, while neglecting to use the
same generalization technique with groups that include
yourself.




it was good times then, and it's terrible, maybe fatal, times now,
both domestically and internationally. Apparently we have
different ideas about what's really important for the country.

What about your ideas? Who cares? You haven't even bothered to become
a citizen, so why are you so concerned? Get naturalized. It's never
too late.

I don't think much of your priorities there, myself. In fact I find
them desperate attempts to whitewash Bush by comparison
with relative trivialities when compared with the colossal
harm that the Bush administration has done to the country
by "lying" or "misleading", both domestically and internationally.

I have been very critical of Bush, but I'm not deranged on the subject
- like (ahem) some around here. Domestically, I don't like the
deficits, the lack of focus on illegal immigration, and the failure to
reform Social Security and Medicare, but the economy is thriving,



"The economy" should be in quotation marks. It doesn't seem
to mean the same thing it once did. Or maybe it never meant
"the welfare of the people", but I just assumed that it did when
I was younger because "the people" did used to get a bigger
piece of the pie.


and
I have few complaints.


I have no present complaints either, since like yourself, I'm
retired, and like yourself I was always a "professional" if not
a very professional professional, and could get work
whenever I needed to. Most people weren't and aren't in
our circumstances then and now.



As for Iraq, it is not going well, but the Fat
Lady has yet to sing. Left Wing wishes to the contrary, things could
still work out. I hope for your sake that they don't, but for my sake
and that of Iraq and the world, that they do. Which side do you root
for -- success or failure?


Success would be good, of course, but my expectations are
very small. When your team has lost every game all season,
your hopes are not too high for their prospects in the World
Series. (Hey - I made a sports analogy!) If Iraq breaks up,
the Sunni part might go democratic. Maybe even the Kurdish
part too. I have less hope for the Shiite part - there's too much
religion there still, as far as I know. Nothing will be democratic
while the USA continues to "manage" a democracy, unless
Vichy France was an independent democracy.




"The moonbats bark thrice at midnight."

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