Re: Magnesium Factor

On 04 Jan 2006 15:41:48 GMT, Earl <neptune@xxxxxx> wrote:

>Rumpelstiltskin <PleaseDoNotReplyByEmail@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in
>news:1m5mr1p571ibib2jhs8uhr62nhksnhj38m@xxxxxxx:
>
>> On Tue, 03 Jan 2006 15:56:58 -0800, El Castor
>> <justuschickens@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>>Once again, in one of those rare moments of the 21st
>>>century, Alan is right. Weight loss and gain is just a
>>>function of calories consumed and expended. IMHO Atkins
>>>doesn't work because you don't eat carbohydrates, it works
>>>because you DO eat a lot of fat. I've heard that work has
>>>been done on exactly what is that satisfies the urge to eat.
>>>Experiments with inflatable balloons installed in the
>>>stomach to provide a full sensation didn't do the job. Other
>>>experiments have looked at calories consumed. That did work,
>>>but the very best results came from consuming fat calories.
>>>Nothing satisfies the appetite as well as a nice slab of
>>>pork fat.
>>
>>
>> Your welcome to your theories, carry on. I'll stick with
>> the only
>> thing that's actually worked for me in practice. People who
>> can tolerate feeling like they're starving every minute of
>> every day might get satisfactory results with conventional
>> diets. Few of them seem to succeed, though. I never did.
>>
>> A slab of pork fat sounds utterly revolting to me. I buy
>> the
>> leanest beef I can find, just because I prefer lean beef.
>> That is still a lot of fat, granted. And hard cheese, my
>> other main item, is 1/3 fat.
>>
>> I almost never buy chicken, and fish is largely out because
>> I like it with batter but greatly dislike it any other way,
>> but batter is high-carbohydrate,
>>
>> I never even bother looking at fat or calorie content,
>> and
>> I never exercise more than I enjoy Those things have zero
>> effect on my weight. I'm sure I would lose weight if I ate
>> fewer calories than my body requires at minimum, but since
>> I don't live in a barracks surrounded by a barbed wire
>> fence and a gestapo, it would be too intolerable for me to
>> keep that up.
>>
>> One problem with carbohydrates that Dr. Atkins mentions,
>> and which seems to be the case with me, is that they're
>> addictive. The more I eat them, the more I desire them,
>> but the more I cut them out, the less I miss them. I did
>> buy two chocolate truffles a few days ago, but when I
>> do things like that, I keep a close eye on how badly I want
>> more the next day.
>>
>>
>>
>
>Your weight is determined by the calories you consume, the
>calories burned in work and exercise, and genetic metabolism
>inefficiencies.


Unless it's included in "genetic metabolism inefficiencies",
you forgot about excretion. Everybody always does.


>
>If you reduce carbohydrates while maintaining calories you will
>keep the same weight effects. Your protein and fat percentage
>increase - by definition.


You may believe it, but my experience demonstrates
quite otherwise Tales of my experience don't seem to
overcome theoretical convictions to other people,
especially not to those who've never themselves had
a weight problem. (I'm not saying you're in that last
group, since of course I don't know.) I was up to 270
pounds at one point, and lost 35 of those pounds the
first two months of Atkins, while eating all the meat
and cheese I wanted, never being hungry or dissatisfied,
and never measuring anything. Some people say Atkins
doesn't work for them. My suspicion is that they're too
addicted to sweet treats to be able to resist cheating
too much, but I don' know: maybe it really wouldn't
work for everybody even if they didn't cheat.

I did have to pretty much give up some things I like,
though I missed them surprisingly little after the Atkins
"initiation" two weeks. Examples below, (including my
cheats, in parentheses)

bread and other pastry-like stuff (completely, except
at parties, and small free samples.) If I have
even one slice of bread, I know I've pretty
much shot my carbohydrate limit for the whole
day.

potatoes and other starchy vegetables

fruit, mostly. I do get bananas or blueberries
occasionally.

pasta

milk (except for cream in coffee)

candy (I do cheat, but there's low-carb candy
now. I still cheat a couple of times a
month, since low-carb candy that tastes
any good is sold downtown but not in
my neighborhood. Trader Joe's has
the best low-carb candy, and it's also
about the cheapest. General rule seems
to be that the better a particular low-carb
candy tastes, the less it costs.) Regular
candy is usually 35 or 40 grams of carbs,
which is more carbs than I like to eat all day,
but the low-carb stuff should be only 1 to 4
grams, per package, not per "serving".
Be sure to read the number of carbs per
"serving" on the package though, and
multiply it by the "servings per package."
If you buy the right stuff in the first place,
You don't have to think about how much
of it you eat when you want to eat it.

ice cream (that was the toughest to give up,
but there's low carb ice cream now so I
get that. It's not really very low-carb,
four grams of fat per half-cup of ice
cream, but a half-cup would just drive
me nuts so I always eat much more.
That's the only item where I have to stay
conscious of how much of it I eat.)

soda (but there's Spenda-sweetened soda
now. Against Dr. Atkins advice, I did
used to get soda with aspertame, since
low carb soda used to only come with
aspertame, but now there's Splenda
soda so I try to buy that. It tastes much
better than aspertame soda and is
supposedly also a heck of a lot better
for you. I do still buy root beer with
aspertame, because I haven't run across
root beer with Splenda yet.) Low carb
soda should always be zero carbs, but
7-up has some fruit-flavoured soda now
that's 2 grams per 8-oz "serving" which
is 4 grams for me or not infrequently 8
grams. That's not good but it does
taste good. I almost never drink water
except for a third or quarter cup to help
wash down vitamins and supplements.

sugar, of course. I buy things that have
sugar in them sometimes, but only after
consideration of the impact, in the
knowledge that this is the worst
thing I could do on Atkins.


The biggest and most influential anti-Atkins group
is the food industry, of course. Carbohydrates.
especially sugar, are a tasty and a cheap ingredient,
so the food industry loses a lot of money with people
who are doing Atkins. They even put sugar in
packaged meat.

I rarely eat in restaurants anymore because there's
always something very bad from an Atkins viewpoint
in restaurant meals. I do get Chinese takeout fairly
often, though that probably has more carbohydrates
than I should have.

Anything in a restaurant that's advertised as
low-carb, probably isn't. It's just 40 grams of
carbs rather than the usual 45 grams, or
something repulsive like salad, and even with
salad they probably include dressing that's so
high carb as to completely defeat the purpose.



>If you maintain protein and fat amounts and decrease
>carbohydrates you will reduce calories.
>
>The body needs about 30% of the calories as fat (minimum). It
>serves several important roles. Provides fat soluble vitamins.
>Early explorers (like L&C) hunted game and had a high protein
>diet. They often starved in winter and early spring because the
>game was short on fat.
>
>The taste system is geared to consume as much fat as possible.
>Most of the enjoyable flavors are fat soluble. (It is also
>geared to consume lots of salt - good and bad depending on
>circumstances)


I use salt so little extra salt that I go four or five years
between buying a package.

>
>Fats take a long time to digest thus they retard the appearance
>of hungar sensations which in turn can lower calorie intake. If
>you are using your head (as well as the muscles that burn the
>calories).
>
>We still consume the same amount of food as when we were young.
>The problem is that our life style has dropped from a 3000
>calorie a day requirement to a 1500 calorie requirement. So the
>couch potato living gives us an extra 1500 calories to turn to
>fat -- the equivilent of gaining 3/4 of a pound per month.


I probably eat much more than 1500 calories a day, but as
long as that includes very little carbohydrate, I have no
problem. Say anything you want, I'm immune: I know what
has actually worked for me and what didn't. What others
think I should do. which almost surely wouldn't work since
I already tried so many things that didn't work because they
just didn't or I couldn't tolerate them, isn't going to change
what I know I can do and that works like a charm for me.

Eggnog season is a known unavoidable hazard for me,
and I'm resigned to that time of the year. I put on five pounds
in two weeks but it's all gone now, even though I lapsed and
got a final quart of eggnog which I only finished a week ago.




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