Re: Bob Graham - senate vote giving Bush authority for Iraq

On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 17:29:50 -0600, Jose <jdaysmix@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

>Joe Avalon wrote:
>
>> Rumpelstiltskin wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 17:00:49 GMT, "Jerry Okamura"
>>> <okamuraj005@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> What you have here is a former democratic member of Congress that
>>>> has waited all these years before coming forward to tell us he saw
>>>> some information that was unavailable to other congressmen. He
>>>> doesn't divulge what this information is, but he's certain it was
>>>> seen by the Bush administration. No one has confirmed or said
>>>> anything about this information. Without confirmation and seeing as
>>>> how he is the only person possessing this information it's
>>>> impossible to say it's truthful and makes it difficult to believe,
>>>> especially after reading what he said in the two paragraphs below.
>>>>
>>>> A few months before alleged seeing the above information he
>>>> co-authored a letter addressed to President Bush saying that they
>>>> saw information that there was no doubt that Saddam Hussein had
>>>> reinvigorated his weapons programs. They said reports indicated that
>>>> biological, chemical and nuclear programs continued apace and may be
>>>> back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continued to
>>>> redefine delivery systems and was doubtless using the cover of a
>>>> licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that would
>>>> threaten the United States and our allies.
>>>>
>>>> "We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that
>>>> Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing
>>>> capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass
>>>> destruction." (Face The Nation, 12/08/02)
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Does that mean you think Graham is lying? If that's your answer,
>>> I don't believe it myself, but at it's an answer that would justify
>>> your views.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> YES!
>>
>> Graham lied.
>>
>> He lied when he told the president that Saddam had restarted his WMD
>> programs,
>> when he was on Face the Nation telling the world he was in possession
>> of compelling evidence Saddam had WMD,


He believed it was the truth, because he hadn't seen the data and
was foolish enough to believe the president. Most everybody at least
believed the president at first, though I don't think I myself ever
did. Who would think a president would conceal evidence other
than for security reasons, in which case he should say he was
withholding something for security reasons, when speaking to
congress? Bush is probably not the first, but I myself have no trust
in such a president. That's about things that affect me of course,
he can lie about sex all he wants. Everybody knows that people
lie about sex, and nobody over age 12 has believed them since the
beginning of time, but it's OK because it doesn't cost anybody
their bank account or their son.




>> or
>> he is lying now when he claims the president withheld information from
>> congressmen.
>
>Hard to prove he lied in the latter, unless you believe in lying by
>omission. Graham doesn't say what caveat he suggests is omitted from the
>abbreviated 29-page public version of the October 2002 CIA report. He
>leaves it to your imagination about things like aluminum tubs.


If you mean the things that were passed off as being for nuclear
reactors, that was known to be false very soon after it was asserted,
so it's not anything we just found out. I was glad when the oil
executives were found to be lying one day, or not much more, after
they testified before the senate, not under oath. Maybe recent
events have alerted newspeople that they'd better be a lot more on
the ball than they have been, and not just trust people.


.

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