Re: He looked beyond my fault and showed me mercy

Yowie wrote:
"Rod" <firefly200861@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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I do not and will not see any point in discussing a faith or a
religion with people that stand by and permit an evil in their midst
to creat5e havoc on one lone man. I have not said that everything that
David posts is right, but in the same instance ALL of you post as you
will yet raise a clamor at many of Davids posts while forgetting that
many of your posts may have been seen as off topic by someone.

I say to you sir that the majority of people in this group INCLUDING
yourself have NO conscience or idea of right and wrong, and go on the
offensive when confronted on it.

Rod, I appreciate where you are coming from, but there is alot of history
here that you are unaware of. David has behaved this way for *years* - we've
all seemed to have it out with him at some point. Some have tried
compassion, reason, logic, love, empathy, understand, 'tough love',
reciprocation, and even 'behaviour modification techniques'. Some of his
combatants (as he would see them) have been far nastier than Kelly has ever
been.

Sure, we all 'misbehave' on usenet. However, the there is a difference is degree. A
'normal' person makes many posts, a few of which *may* be considered
off-topic by *some*. David, on the other hand, makes many *many* posts that
are considered off topic by the vast majority of readers and few, if any,
that even a couple of people would consider on-topic. There is also a
difference in awareness. 'Normal' people are generally aware of what would
and what would consititute an 'on topic' post in a particular group, and
would also know if & when it is OK to post an obviously off-topic post.
David just posts his posts without seemingly any awareness that other folks
do not welcome the topics he posts on (or if he has awareness, then without
any regard). Normal people know when to walk away from (or simply killfile)
pointless flamewars, David stay untl thebitter end, always having to get hte last word in.
And there is a difference in attitude: a normal person
acknoweldges that whilst they speak 'to the best of their knowledge' that
they could be mistaken, David simply 'knows' he's right.... about
everything.

Others abuse him for it: he abuses back, and then claims he is polite and
well behaved. He demands things of people but won't (or can't) do the very
same thing he demands of others. He produces arguments with holes so large
you could drive a mack truck through and gets caught in if not outright lies
then 'misrepresentation of facts' and yet when thse are pointed out, seems
totally oblivious. He says he will do something (like answer questions or
present evidence), entirely fails to do so, and then seems totally convinced
that he has. He posts reams and reams and reams of crossposted posts when
everyone (except him) fails to see the relevance of his post to all the
crossposted groups (or even *any* of the crossposted groups) but does not
cease to crosspost when asked, even *begged* to. He quotes other sources
without any comment from himself, or worse yet, fails to even acknowledge
his sources so that it appears he wrote other material himself (and fails to
see whats wrong with that), and passes himself off as an expert in various
fields but cannot produce any verfiable evidence that he's an expert in any.
Again, these are all human traits and most of us are guilty of at least some
of them to some degree, but David does all of this over and over and over
and has been doing so for *years*. To the unaware reader, it is
*infuriating*. I'm no doubt hardly alone in thinking "cant he just see what
it is that he's doing?????"

In fact, I *know* I'm not alone in that thought because pretty much all of
SRQ has attempted - in their own way - to get David to understand the damage
he does to himself by acting the way he does. All of SRQ (bar Kelly thus
far, but she's only been here a year or so) have eventually realised the
futility of the excercise after a while (some put in a heck of alot of
effort) and have come to the same conclusion: he will not (or cannot) see
and therefore will not (or cannot) change; the effort is wasted.

I am not even sure that David is hurt in any way by what is said here (or if
he is, he does not seem t be concously aware of it). But if he is, he is
still unwilling (or unable) to both see his own hand in that pain *and* is
unwilling to disengage in something that can't help but hurt him. In the
end, its like watching an alcoholic drinking themselves to death - you know
each drink is hurting them but until they recognise that fact *and* want to
stop ( they need to do both before they have any hope of healing), the best
anyone can do is let them know that help is available if they ever find that
they need it, and then make they a) don't enable them further and b)
minimise the effect that the other's alcoholism has on their own lives.

As such, you won't find many SRQers replying to David about anything. First
of all, almost all of what David posts is both off-topic, and more
importantly, *uninteresting* to the denizens of SRQ. But maybe more importantly, they also don't want to *enable* David and nor do they want to get involved in something that in the end is a massive waste of time and effort, espcially since pretty much all of us have been there, done that and got the t-shirt sometime in the past.

And thus, whilst I myself choose not to be rude to David, if he wants to post to Usenet then he's a legal adult and is responsible for his behaviour. If he wants the responses to him to change, then he's the one that has to change what he puts out there. I am not going to defend him (except perhaps against an *unprovoked* attack... like that person who wanted to contact his Real Life new church group to 'warn' them about him) because in Usenet, just like the real world, one has to learn the unwritten rules of society suffer the consequences. David has never once asked anyone *why* he seems to get attacked by so many, and has never once asked for any advice on how to stop it (even though a lot has been offered). I can therefore only conclude that either a) he somehow enjoys the concept of being him, the only person who knows the truth, versus the rest of the world b) is not hurt so much by what is said on Usenet such that he would stop being on Usenet and/or c) his behavior is akin to an addict who is unaware (or unwilling to admit) that their misery is mostly of their own doing. Either way, he's a big boy and I am not going to get involved in his flame wars. I"ve got enough to worry about, and my own 'energies' are far better spent elsewhere.. where they might actually do some good.

Yowie

This post is little more than an attempt at justifying
your tolerance for the libel and stalking that is happening
in this and other groups.


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