Re: Quakerism

Yowie wrote:
~Rod wrote:
Yowie wrote:
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Yowie wrote:
~Rod wrote:
Yowie wrote:
~Rod wrote:
Engineer wrote:
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Also I am still
waiting to hear what that one thing about quakerism
that you find offensive and intolerable is.

The same thing I find intolerable and offensive in a world
without Quakers; the williness to let others suffer when you
CAN do something to end it.
Just about everyone on this planet could 'do more' to ease the
suffering of those that suffer, you (and me) included. Do you
find yourself intolerable and offensive?
You I do.
Why?

Because I ask a serious question?
No Yowie, because you turn a blind eye to the things that have
happened to David lately at the hands of 316, and not just you
alone.

David doesn't have to be perfect to be human and deserve and enjoy
the same things that you and I do, or be shown a measure of respect
for the person he is
1. I have never treated David with anything other than kindness and
respect - even David will admit that

2. David is perfectly capable of defending himself and does so.

3. David could also choose not to respond to Kelly and other
'tormentors', but chooses not to

4. I have no wish to get into a pointless argument with anyone. I'm
here to discuss spirituality in general and Quakerism in particular.
In my view, Thiering and Youtube don't play into that, so I don't
usually reply to David. Kelly's posts so far have shown no
willingness to have a discussion about faith, so I don't tend to
respond to those much either. Choosing not to discuss topics I am
uninterested in is not cruelty or turning 'a blind eye', its simply
choosing what I want to and what I dont' want to discuss (you'll
note I also don't post on rec.aviation.hangliding for the same
reasons) 5. When someone (can't remember who) suggested that SRQ folks should
contact David's new Quaker meeting to 'warn' them about him, I, and
the rest of the SRQ regulars (and a few visitors) vigorously
protested in defence of David and his right to start again and his
right to privacy. If that doesn't show a measure of respect and
indeed care for the man, and I don't know what would.

6. You claim we are turning a blind eye? What would you otherwise
have us do?
One small thing, be a real friend to him. Do this for him and I
won't ask another thing of you, nothing. I'll leave you in peace.

I have been, Rod. I do actually care about David and his wellbeing and was worried when he suddenly dissappeared for a few days (and you can find proof of that in the archives if you like) and have and still do offer the hand of friendship out to him.

This does not mean, though, that I have to agree with his views or get involved with the flamewars he is currently in.

I'm not asking that, but sooner or later someone will have to be there to pick up the pieces. David gets himself into tight spots. Have you noticed how much he has been posting ? If so, can you see the effect it may have on him with no one talking with him, unless they are flaming him ?

yes...I'm worried about him. Maybe I shouldn't be, but I am.



There is another thing you can do, moderate this group. You want your group
back, and want it clean ? Moderate it, and to hell with the
complaints about censorship. Censorship will save this group...your
method of handling things isn't working well.

No-one has the power to moderate this forum.
Get the power, create it if need be.

This is Usenet. This forum cannot be moderated. You are welcome to apply to news.groups to make soc.religion.quaker.moderated, but this particular forum is stuck the way it is.

Would you prefer us to get
into an off topic, pointless, unending flamewar that further
clutters up SRQ and renders it just another hothouse of flamewarrior
antics? That is not hte Quaker way. The Quaker way is to attempt to
engage such people in meaningful conversations, and, if they seem
incapable of having one, then politely refusing to engage in their
tomfoolery. SRQ regulars are currently doing their best not to
engage in the tomfoolery and flummery that is currently infesting
this here NG. Killfiles and self control work wonders in that
regard. We fail sometimes of course, but then we should be forgiven
as much as you forgive David for his imperfections.
Who am I to hold anything against David ? I like David, he has a
generous heart and a good mind, and he is on the path to being what
the Cherokee's used to call a "true human being".

I like David too. That doesn't mean I can't find some of his behaviour frustrating at times. The core group of people (who were here before you arrived) would no doubt wish him well, too.

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It's nice to
have a friend to whom you don't have to make excuses as to why you
don't have a 200 IQ, or drive a truck for the love of it instead
of being a banker or a doctor. Friends like that are hard to find
anymore.

I don't care that you don't have an IQ of 200 either (who has?) and if you want to drive a truck for the love of it, good for you - you are one of the lucky ones that get to do something they love *and* get paid for it.

I'm happy that you see it that way. The most wonderfull thing about driving isn't the money....it's the people that you meet in truck stops,
restraunts and rest areas. I know I won't be on this earth forever, so
I've spent more time on the road than I should have trying to meet and speak with all that I can. The people make it worth it. My son is out there now driving as well, and he likes it as much as me if not more so.





If you would like to discuss anything about Quakerism, even better.

I'm pretty gunshy about things having to do with religion, but because
I was steeped pretty deep in contempt and disbelief it's hard, a very
personal trip. I've known guys like Steve Winter, and even got mixed up with him, but in the past I've had some very unreal expectations of
faith and religion that haven't always measured up to my demands,
at least until recently. I had a very real, moving experience that
cleared away some doubts, and it gave me back some hope for better
things to come. I needed that.

But I'm not sure about the quaker beliefs. It seems to me that their
basic spirituality is, well....more open ?, if thats the correct
word ? Or perhaps "unguarded spirituality" is a better term, making, or allowing yourself to be sensitive to things and forces that perhaps
could be dangerous.

The first step in accepting spirituality for me was to acknowledge
that it is real, and not just a delusion of hallucination. The lamest
thing about religion was always the promises that never were kept by
church pastors, who had no business making those promises. I make it
a point to stay as far away from them as I can get.





Yowie


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