Doudna and Thiering on Deposits, Scrolls Content, Relevant Historical Facts, 4QpPs & 1QpHab
- From: David <pchristainsen@xxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 13:08:30 -0700
On Sep 28, 10:03 pm, Tom McDonald <kilt...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Sep 28, 8:04 pm, Engineer <inva...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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Tom McDonald wrote:
When the Shroud of Turin was dated using 14C; and when
any number of other items of art, books, etc., are
dated using 14C, it is not an archaeological question
being asked.
And nor is the dating of the DSS at this point a
particularly archaeological question
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Tom McDonald wrote:
When the Shroud of Turin was dated using 14C; and when
any number of other items of art, books, etc., are
dated using 14C, it is not an archaeological question
being asked.
And nor is the dating of the DSS at this point a
particularly archaeological question.
But you would know that if you understood the
first little thing about archaeology.
Leaving aside the loony agruments put forth by
kooks, why would c14 dating of the DSS not be
considered to be an answer to an archaeological
question?
Are you saying that the DSS are not archaeological
objects?
"Discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls is among the more
important finds in the history of modern archaeology"www.britannica.com/eb/article-9029628/Dead-Sea-Scrolls
"...the Dead Sea Scrolls - perhaps the greatest
archaeological find of the 20th century."
-www.discovery.com
"Archaeology and History in the Dead Sea Scrolls:
The New York University Conference"
-Published by Sheffield Academic Press
Or are you saying that radiocarbon dating is not
archaeological evidence?
Willard F. Libby received the 1960 Nobel Prize in
Chemistry "for his method to use Carbon-14 for age
determinations in archaeology, geology, geophysics,
and other branches of science."
"Radiocarbon, or Carbon-14, dating is probably one
of the most widely used and best known absolute
dating methods. ... and has become an indispensable
part of the archaeologist's tool kit"http://archserve.id.ucsb.edu/Anth3/Courseware/Chronology/08_Radiocarb...
"...the impact of radiocarbon dating has been most
profound in archaeological research...http://www.mnsu.edu/emuseum/archaeology/dating/radio_carbon.html
My argument here is that the DSS are, at this point, far more
historical and religious than it is archaeological.
That doesn't mean that there are no conceivable archaeological
implications to the 14C dating of the DSS. But, for our purposed on
this ng, getting into the dating of the DSS would not lead to any
serious archaeological discussions.
Or do you think it would? All I can see it doing is serving to give
Carl another thing to use to avoid archaeology.
Old /= archaeologically interesting.
I propose that Engineer and Tom McDonald see where open-mindedness
may lead re: carbondating issue on DSS etc.
In his abstract Greg Doudna uses the term "archaeological" 4 times.
Please evaluate -
(left pane) Click Abstracts - Gregory Doudna
http://www.econ.brown.edu/fac/Oded%5FGalor/Katharina%5FGalor/Conference/
"Gregory L. Doudna
(Danish Institute for Advanced Studies in the Humanities)
Correction of an Error in Archaeological Interpretation.
The Dating of the Qumran Cave Scroll Deposits
"Since the first excavation season at Qumran in 1951 it has been
assumed
that the deposits of the scrolls in the nearby caves were associated
with the
time of the First Revolt. Yet this assumption was made before de
Vaux,
or
anyone, realized that there was a major, distinct, preceding 1st
century BCE
habitation period (de Vaux's 'Period Ib')-since the existence of this
earlier
habitation period was not known until the second excavation season,
in
1953.
Yet the significance of this 1953 discovery for the dating of the
scroll deposits
was vitiated by the filtering effect of a questionable scholarly
construction-the
notion that the same sect inhabited Qumran from its founding through
all of its
habitations until the First Revolt. This paper will examine the
formation of the
scholarly construction of the dating of the text deposits. It will be
demonstrated
that the First Revolt dating of the text deposits began as a mistake
in
archaeological interpretation. Recognition of the original mistake at
the root
of the prevailing scholarly construction opens up the possibility of
an objective
reexamination. It will be argued on archaeological grounds that the
text deposits
in the caves are better associated with the earlier, 1st BCE
habitation period at
Qumran. It is a curious paradox that scholarly constructions often
retain
momentum after the original reasons bringing about their formation
are
acknowledged to be mistaken. The dating of the Qumran text deposits-
the
original Qumran archaeological issue of interest-may be an exciting
case
analysis of the way scholarly paradigms filter perceptions of data."
Redating the Dead Sea Scroll Deposits at Qumran:
the Legacy of an error in Archaeological Interpretation
By Greg Doudna - June 2004 - 4 pages
http://www.bibleinterp.com/articles/Doudna_Scroll_Deposits_1.htm
Facing up to the Young Lion
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/qumran_origin/message/3570
"Doudna has been closely involved in carbondating tests. Our
article in Radiocarbon takes him to task especially, for not
taking into account the content of the scrolls and relevant
historical facts. Would you see #2674[?]"
Concerning Doudna's views
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/qumran_origin/message/3652
"In our article pointing out that carbondating tests were consistent
with the Christian dating, we had to take on Doudna. You'll find
most of the article in #2674. He asserts what no scholar with close
knowledge of the Scrolls could hold, that they all came from a single
generation. The early years of study established firmly that they
show a long process of development. Some of them show no
knowledge of the Teacher and his distinctive doctrines. Within 1QS
there are clear signs of stages of organisational development.
The early years of study also pointed out the very close parallels
with Christian thought, organisation and terminology. Volumes
were written on the subject."
KEY - please study fully 1999 Thiering/Rodley extracts
Carbondating
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/qumran_origin/message/2674
Use Browser Edit to Find - 1 paragraph on Doudna's discussion
of the carbondating of a linen wrapper
Use Browser Edit to Find - 6 BRILLIANT [Einstein-level] paragraphs
on "Doudna's Arguments concerning 4QpPs a and 1QpHab"
Sincerely yours,
David Christainsen
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