Re: Are Quakers Christians?




Themis Papaioannou wrote:

Engineer says...

Themis Papaioannou wrote:

So should I understand that Ian Davis agrees with Barry
Napier that Quakers are not Christians?

Perhaps we can start out with you not telling lies. Barry Napier
*never claimed* that Quakers are not Christians. He claimed that
some branches of Quakerism are not Christian and that some are.
Many here have said the same thing, so that's hardly news.

http://www.christiandoctrine.net/doctrine/outlines/outline_00027_quakers_are_they_christians_web.htm ).

Who is not telling the truth Engineer? Barry Napier claims that ALL
branches of Quakerism are not Christian.

Liar.

"In this Outline paper, we will show that mainstream Quakerism
is not Christian, but is a cult. There are other forms of Quakerism...
-Barry Napier

We (me and other Friends) have been discussing with Barry Napier
this for a long time.

You didn't say that Barry made that claim in some other discussion.
You claimed that he said it on the page you referenced. He did not.

I see that Engineer did not bother to investigate thoroughly the
website

You didn't say that Barry made that claim elswhere on his website.
You claimed that he said it on the page you referenced. He did not.

"In a very real sense, then, the movement/denomination of 'Quakerism' is
a foe of the Gospel and of Jesus Christ. Do not be misled by its outward
show of goodness. As for genuine Believers in the Quaker camp - they
must come out from it! There is no alternative for a Believer."

So Barry says that there are Quakers who are genuine Believers -- the
exact opposite of what you claim he says.

you state:

"No serious researcher can claim a group to be mainstream
when it so differs in doctrine and practice from the
originators of the group"

I have repeatedly challenged you to back up your claims that
a group is defined by what its founders believed. You have
repeatedly refused to answer that simple question. Now you
are basing an attack on someone else on the shifting sands
of a false premise that you know to be indefensible.

Only someone who denies common logic denies the fact that those who create
something define it.

Nonsense. Modern Mormonism is not the same as the mormonism of
Joseph Smith. Reform Judaism is not the same as the Judaism of
Moses. The Southern Baptists were founded by pro-slavery founders.

I deny going into useless dialogues with people that deny the obvious.

Evasion noted. You just keep on asserting false things and refuse
to even give any arguments in favor of them. You won't answer
because you can't answer. You can't answer because you know that
you are wrong.

If one denies common sense what else is there to tell him/her?

That it takes mor than "Themis says so" to make itbtrue.

And not even think of insulting me again and calling me a liar friend!

It would help a lot if you stopped writing things that are not true.
Like your "pray to Buddha" fib. for example.

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