Re: Lying is wrong, deception not always wrong
On Tue, 31 Jan 2006 20:25:23 GMT, "1st Century Apostolic
Traditionalist" <nospamatall@xxxxxxx> wrote:
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><qspirit@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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>> It's fine to have just the Spirit--for
>>there *is* only one way to "the father" (shudder at the use of a
>>metaphor of the times that has misled so many into the cultural
>>misogyny into which Paul so doggedly imprisoned)--and that "one way"
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>Anyone who infers that the Apostle Paul, especially called and commissioned
>by Christ and Almighty God, was a misled, cultural misogynist, is a LIAR.
A good thing, I suppose, then that I just said it right out and didn't
infer it. ;=]
Like all Friends I am not a respecter of fallible persons, in whose
number Paul was (as were all of the first century apostles you
worship). I am in unity with them when they are right and not when
they are wrong. In the case of women he was wrong.
Paul's writings are stuffed with misogynistic attitudes common to his
culture and any name calling you engage in cannot change what is
apparent to anyone who reads with open ears and heart what "he" (and
those who wrote in his name) had to say in the Bible on the subject.
This male supremacy stuff is just one way the apostalic/apostate
church (beginning in the first century, carrying over the Jewish
culture with which it found continuity) compromised The Way to gain
acceptance and popularity--buttressing the dominant culture instead of
speaking truth to it. Supporting wars is another way the apostate
church did and continues to mislead/deceive believers for a
"good"--the survival of the church---end. Blessing wealth is a third.
I am not surprised to see you make a disproportion denial of this
obvious truth about Paul and the first century church you worship.
Your writing a few days ago on the subject of women testifies to all
that you labor under that same particular power and in that same
unfortunate bondage. The spirituality of one who worships the
apostolic church, I suppose, could not help but be limited by its
shortcomings.
Timothy Travis
Bridge City Friends Meeting
Portland, Oregon
"Sometimes I think that this body has a life of
its own."
Chris Rhea
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