Re: Lying is wrong, deception not always wrong


"1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist" <nospamatall@xxxxxxx> wrote in
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> "Dennis" <dennybop@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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>> Perhaps I missed the point. Perhaps what you had thought was a clear
>> explanation was not so clear to me. In either case, I'd like to hear it
>> again. I'll tell you if I "get it" without using it as a platform to
>> agree or disagree.
>>>
>>>> It undercuts not only the question at hand, but the whole of your
>>>> philosophy. Please don't just "hit and run". Confront the difficult
>>>> questions.
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>> "1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist"
>>> What difficult questions Dennis?
>>> I thought I had made myself quite plain and my position clear through my
>>> varies postings.
>>> But fire away.
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>> Again, I may have just missed it, or not understood. The difficult
>> questions I am speaking of here seems to be (to me) "Is it OK to decieve
>> under some circumstances?
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> No offence intended, I have answered that one already Dennis, check
> through my posts.

I did check back through the posts, but I still wasn't really able to figure
out the answers to questions I was thinking of. Perhaps you weren't really
addressing those questions to begin with.

> I feel Timothy doesn't properly read through my posts either. Lawyers
> ought to be more meticulous. {;o;}

I don't think I have not properly read your posts. Perhaps not properly
understood.
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>>Which are they? Is deception the same as lying?
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> Obviously not in certain cases as I have in shown in answers from
> Scripture already.

It isn't so obvious to me as you. I don't see the Word of Christ in any
form of deception, and I don't see any time in Scripture that Jesus sets out
to lie or decieve. I don't understand how the passages you cite can justify
deception. That is my personal take...I won't doubt that you find a
different interpretation.
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>> What differentiates lies from deception?
>
> As it appears to me, as a yearning motive for a hopeful righteous outcome.

Whereas Quakers among others believe that there is no good reason for lies,
deception, violence, etc. no matter the outcome. All things that require
any of those things are purely earthly. Our earthly bodies and earthly
concerns are nothing compared with our eternal souls. This is myl
understanding of what Christ tells me.
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>> How does one draw the line between the two.
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> Using Scriptural examples and some common sense.

Ah! Common sense. But...you know...I don't like to rely on "common sense'
because so many have so many definitions and interpretations of common
sense. I think Scriptual examples are far more reliable, but then I know
that so many interpret Scripture in so many different ways.
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>> Are those lines universal?"
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> Like what? {;o;}

Is the line I draw between deception and lies the same as yours? Is it the
same as anyone else's. The problem, as I see it is that Christ gives us no
directive about which deceptions are OK and which are not OK. I believe it
is so possible, and so human, to justify which are OK and which are not
based in our own earthly agendas. This is why I feel it is so important for
myself to refrain from deception. Of course sometimes I fall into the trap
of decieving...although upon discovering it, I try to correct it. I feel
Christ would have us be as truthful as is possible for us wretched humans.

Dennis

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