Re: Sealing Skipping a Generation?


"Jeff" <jeff_x02@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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On Jun 11, 8:48 pm, "Gerald Fuller" <gfuller1...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
It is true that the teaching of The Church of Jesus Christ
of Latter-day Saints is that all men and women are spirit
sons and daughters of God the Father.

Alma (11:38-39) says "Now Zeezrom saith again unto him: Is the Son of
God the very Eternal Father? And Amulek said unto him: Yea, he is the
very Eternal Father of heaven and of earth, and all things which in
them are; he is the beginning and the end, the first and the last".

Are there two God the Fathers?

No, there are not. But there are perhaps thousands of interpretations of
just what is included in that expression. For example, I have heard all my
life that George Washington is "the Father of our country" meaning the
United States. In what way is that possible? In a figurative sense of
course. It is my belief that Amulek gave an answer to Zeezrom that
confirmed those parts of Zeezrom's understanding that were correct,

Go back a few verses so we pick up some context. Still in Chapter 11 of Alma

26 And Zeezrom said unto him: Thou sayest there is a true and living God?
27 And Amulek said: Yea, there is a true and living God.
28 Now Zeezrom said: Is there more than one God?
29 And he answered, No.

Now it is true that there is only one God. But we immediately find ourselves
in that "land" where man starts trying to understand how this can be. That
land of Trinitarians, Modalism, etc. But we have abundant references to the
fact that The Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost, while three persons, are
indeed one God. Man sort of explains that this means that they are of one
heart, one mind, one understanding, one will, etc. That may be the nearest
that man can come to understanding the concept.
Then in verse 30, Zeezrom asked Amulek how he knew that things he was saying
were true, no doubt (in my mind) that Zeezrom was looking for an answer
something along the lines that Amulek had studied for many years with some
distinguished rabbi or philosopher or something. But Amulek merely said

31 And he said: An angel hath made them known unto me.

Now Zeezrom may have had honest questions that he did not know how to find
the answers for, or he may still have been contentious and trying to "trap"
Amulek. But he asked (and was answered)

32 And Zeezrom said again: Who is he that shall come? Is it the Son of God?
33 And he said unto him, Yea.

So again rather than enter into a long dissertation and try to explain that
the three personages who are all God, the one God, are yet separate persons,
Amulek merely agreed that as far as Zeezrom understood the precise matter
being discussed, he was correct.

Now we really don't have to wonder longer if Zeezrom had honest questions or
not. He may have had, or he may have merely been looking for arguing points
to lead people from believing Amulek. The result seems to be the same.
Zeezrom sort of turned to the people and said "See? He speaks with forked
tongue!" Here is literally what is recorded.

34 And Zeezrom said again: Shall he save his people in their sins? And
Amulek answered and said unto him: I say unto you he shall not, for it is
impossible for him to deny his word.
35 Now Zeezrom said unto the people: See that ye remember these things; for
he said there is but one God; yet he saith that the Son of God shall come,
but he shall not save his people--as though he had authority to command God.

Do you see how Zeezrom mis-stated what Amulek had told him?

In the next two verses Amulek argues a bit with Zeezrom, and it appears to
me that he, Amulek, is still treating Zeezrom as an honest questioner and is
still trying to help him to understand. But it also seems that Amulek is
beginning to lose patience a bit and is speaking a bit more sharply to
Zeezrom. Maybe Zeezrom misreads this and thinks that he is winning the
argument and that Amulek will soon be "confounded". So now either honestly
wondering how One God can be both God the Father and the Son of God (a
puzzle to probably several millions of mortals over time) or thinking that
he has the clincher to ask to refute what Amulek is teaching, we come to his
question in verse 38.

Once again the simple yet true answer is that given by Amulek in verse 39,
which you have found.

It is our teaching that the Son of God, even Jehovah, who became Jesus the
Son of Mary, the Messiah (Christ) and Savior is indeed the creator of this
earth and the heavens that are spoken of in the Book of Genesis. He was in
the beginning with God, (All three persons who are God) and He was God (the
Son of the Father).

God has directed and orchestrated the recording in relatively very few words
the true information that man seeks for and on which men write volume after
volume to try to understand and explain. Each explanation seems to engender
further questions. Thus having arrived at this point you ask your question
"Are there two God the Fathers". It is a fair and understandable question,
but there is really nothing to support the idea that the answer could
possibly be yes. Do you disagree?



Gene

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