Re: Anti-gay-marriage amendment

hlillywh@xxxxxxxx wrote:
David Bowie wrote:

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Of course, here in Florida (under a law unique to Florida among the
entire US) known homosexuals are forbidden to adopt. A complaint about
Catholic social services being unable to operate as they would like to
in Massachusetts is exactly equivalent to a complaint that, say, a
Unitarian group being unable to operate as they'd like to in Florida. At
a governmental level, it's an issue of competing rights, not absolute
rights. At a religious level, of course, it can be an issue of absolute
rights.

There is a big difference between prohibiting what someone believes is
acceptable and forcing someone to do what is contrary to their morals...

Re-read what i wrote. What if there was a group that held that it is
morally wrong for children to be kept in the foster system in favor of
them being placed with homosexual parents? (And there are such.) Just
because a proposal treads on *your* moral sensibilities doesn't mean
that the opposite approach wouldn't tread on somebody else's.

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[And from yet another post, gathering the scattered]

Actually, since the polls i've seen show the US evenly split (with a
slight but often within the margin of error margin usually against) on
the issue of whether SSM should be allowed, but with a *clear* majority
(generally on the order of 2:1 or 3:1) against a national constitutional
amendment regulating gender and marriage, maybe the Mormon church is
secretly working to undermine those members of the US Congress who
support such an amendment...

You must get your news from a different source than do I. Every report
I've heard says the majority oppose SSM and in every state I can think
of where it has been put to a vote it has passed, usally by a large
margin.

Try Gallup (though to read the good stuff you need a subscription). On
the question of whether marriage should be allowed for homosexual
couples, the US public is fairly evenly split. However, when asked about
a *federal* (not state) constitutional amendment, people pretty
consistently oppose it by about 2:1 (sometimes approaching 3:1). Also,
of course, US federal constitutional amendments require a rather large
supermajority, not a majority.

You mention those states where it's been passed. I would argue that
those are the low-hanging fruit--not every state has a majority against
allowing SSM.

Basically, i'm surprised that the church got involved in an effort like
this that's so clearly destined to go down in flames.[1] Generally, when
the church gets involved in a national political issue (even in those
cases it's been on the lowing side of, like the repeal of prohibition),
it's been something that's so close that the church's involvement might
could make a difference. In this case, given how hardened the sides are,
and given the demographic trends that pollsters have found, there
doesn't seem to be a chance.

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[1] Ha!

David, who thinks majority rule is problematic
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