Re: A Thousand Years of Western Myth-making

"John Smith" <JohnSmith@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Is the "Western Myth-making" continuing or being perpetuated in this
forum?

I love the way you ask questions Zuiko with no specific incident in mind.
It is pure propaganda.

Aren't so-called Islamic "critics" relying on these mythical old
preserves and superseded "missionary" histories?

Dont have to.
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Comment:-
Which just demonstrates that some so-called Islamic "critics" aren't
prepared to read or do any in-depth study of the serious literature on the
subject of "myth-making" about Islam and Muslims by western experts. As you
pointed out they "don't have to"! Does this also mean that they have already
made their prejudicial minds? Doesn't that willful ignorance deplorably
reflect what Kofi Annan said: "But when the world is compelled to coin a new
term to take account of increasingly widespread bigotry, that is a sad and
troubling development. Such is the case with Islamophobia."?

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Which missionary campaigners and websites, on the internet, are reliant
on these dubious and questionable historical sources for their unethical
spin? Read more at this link:-
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Comment:-
As a "discerning" and diligent subscriber one would expect you would have
done your own exhaustive search into this "Muhammad in Europe: A Thousand
Years of Western Myth-making" phenomena in Google or elsewhere. You can also
check the SRI archives as well, if you were really interested in discovering
or discerning the background of this issue from experts. Failing that you
can purchase a digest from, the prestigious, European Review, at this
Journal link:-

http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAllArticle?jid=ERW&description=Book+Review&journalTitle=European+Review&journalSubTitle=&journalEditor=Arnold+Burgen%2C+%3Ci%3EUniversity+of+Cambridge%2C+UK%3C%2Fi%3E%3Cbr+%2F%3EHenk+Wesseling%2C+%3Ci%3EInstitute+for+Advanced+Study%2C+The+Netherlands%3C%2Fi%3E%3Cbr+%2F%3E&articleType=BR

But, as you say, you "don't have to"! That's, of course, if you don't want
to discover what the undoubted western experts have say on this "Muhammad in
Europe: A Thousand Years of Western Myth-Making." subject.

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http://www.stratmag.com/issue2Dec-1/page09.htm

I have. And the review is dubious.
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Comment:-
How would you know if you haven't read any of the serious literature on the
subject?

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The reviewer quotes Karen Armstrong, I have one of KA's books.
And she gives a complete whitewash of Islamic history.
She is no scholar, and there are quite a few times when she airbrushes ove
darker chapters of Islamic history.
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Comment:-
What has this ad-hominem (abusive) attack on Karen Armstrong got to do with
the subject? Isn't it a fallacious and irrelevant red herring? Haven't you
recently indicated elsewhere that you were opposed to fallacious ad-hominem
attacks? Have you now changed your "discerning" mind?

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The reviewer does not conside the Muslim crusades against Europe,
repeatedly done from 666AD to 1879AD
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Comment:-
Why should the reviewer do so? He was reviewing the "Muhammad in Europe: A
Thousand Years of Western Myth-making" book was he not? Aren't you
confused?What has your gratuitous and irrelevant prejudices got to with this
erudite work? Aren't you artfully changing the subject? Have you read this
erudite book, or, for that matter, any other serious Islamic books, written
by experts, on this "myth-making" subject? What were they?

Isn't this just another prime example of a fallacious and diversionary
ignoratio elenchi (red herring), frequently used by so-called Islamic
"critics" in this forum? See this link if you don't know what it means:-

http://www.fallacyfiles.org/redherrf.html

Extract:-

Etymology:
Thus, a "red herring" argument is one which distracts the audience from the
issue in question through the introduction of some irrelevancy. This
frequently occurs during debates when there is an at least implicit topic,
yet it is easy to lose track of it. By extension, it applies to any argument
in which the premisses are logically irrelevant to the conclusion.

Exposition:
This is the most general fallacy of irrelevance. Any argument in which the
premisses are logically unrelated to the conclusion commits this fallacy.

End extract:-

As this namesake of yours, William Cantwell Smith, acutely argued, about
these perpetuated "western myths and images", in his excellent "On
Understanding Islam", 1963, Chapter 16": "are ultimately based on
unexamined, dogmatic. pre-convictions." Isn't that the truth in this forum?

--
Peace
--
Truth gains more . . . by the errors of one who, with due study and
preparation, thinks for himself than by the true opinions of those who only
hold them because they do not suffer themselves to think." [John Stuart
Mill]

Zuiko Azumazi
zuiko.azumazi@xxxxxxxxx

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