Re: The Myth of the West's Intellectual Debt to Islam



"Robert" <robert45@xxxxxxx> wrote in message
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As I have said the transmissions of the 12th and 13th centuries were
Greek. ...
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Comment:-
Which is untrue. Why do you keep on repeating these absurd half-truths and
innuendo, unthinkingly plagiarised from a single and unreliable source,
namely, "Jonathan David Carson", when on the contrary, you have been
provided with overwhelming evidence, from many eminent western historians,
world authorities in this field, to the contrary. Here's another one, linked
to previously, that you refused to read or acknowledge:-

http://www.muslimphilosophy.com/ip/rep/H056

Extract:-

Islamic philosophy: transmission into Western Europe

The Arabs took on the mantle of late antique philosophy and passed it on to
both Latin scholars and Jewish scholars in Western Europe in the Middle
Ages. The debates among Islamic scholars between rationalism and fideism
also provided texts and models for Christian and Jewish debates. In this
assimilation of Islamic thought, several stages can be observed. First,
there was an interest in Neoplatonic cosmology and psychology in the latter
half of the twelfth century, which fostered the translation of texts by
al-Kindi, al-Farabi, the Ikhwan al-Safa' and, especially, Avicenna (Ibn
Sina). Second, the desire to understand Aristotle's philosophy resulted in
the translation of the commentaries and epitomes of Averroes (Ibn Rushd) in
the second quarter of the thirteenth century. Jewish scholars participated
in both these movements, and from the second quarter of the thirteenth
century they took the initiative in translating and commenting upon Arabic
texts. Thus when, in the late fifteenth century, a renewed interest in the
ancient texts led scholars to search out the most accurate interpretations
of these texts, it was to Jewish scholars that they turned for new
translations or retranslations of Avicenna and, in particular, Averroes.
From the early sixteenth century, Arabic philosophical texts were again
translated directly into Latin, Arabic speakers began to collaborate with
Christian scholars and the foundations for the teaching of Arabic were being
laid. With the establishment of Arabic chairs in European universities, the
rich variety of Islamic thought began to be revealed. This process has
lasted until the present day. [CHARLES BURNETT Copyright © 1998, Routledge]

End extract

Now is Charles Burnett some intellectual lightweight using weasel-words or
an international historian of note? Did you attempt to read this article and
any of it's extended bibliography about the transmission of knowledge to
western Europe by Arab-Muslims via Spain? What part of the opening
statement: "The Arabs took on the mantle of late antique philosophy and
passed it on to both Latin scholars and Jewish scholars in Western Europe in
the Middle Ages."; don't you understand?

Here's a link to the corpus of Charles Burnett many erudite works on the
Arab-Muslim transmission:-

http://www2.sas.ac.uk/warburg/institute/cburnett.htm

How many of them have you read?

Are you now going to say he's not an expert historian, if not, the
definitive modern expert, on "Islamic philosophy: transmission into Western
Europe", or will you continue to push your disingenuous, "The Myth of the
West's Intellectual Debt to Islam", in the same bombastic and blustering
manner?

Compare this to your authority "Jonathan David Carson" at this link:-

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&as_qdr=all&q=+%22Jonathan+David+Carson%22&btnG=Search

Is he an historian? Do you believe that his citations are accurate? Or is he
just a artful and irrelevant Catholic wordsmith (like Spenser, Phillips,
Elst, et al) trying to undermine Muslims and Islam by spreading false and
fallacious reports on dubious blog sites and elsewhere? Do you still believe
the propaganda that's "Hyping Islam's role in the History of Science"
article? Are you at all interested in the truth?


--
Peace
--
The discovery of truth is prevented more effectively not by the false
appearance of things present and which mislead into error, not directly by
weakness of the reasoning powers, but by preconceived opinion, by
prejudice. - Schopenhauer

Zuiko Azumazi
azumazi@xxxxxxxxxxx

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