Re: Muslim Misconceptions about Christianity


Robert wrote:
I reply to Alothman Apr 22

It is clearly true that Muslim's have only Muhammad's testimony that
the Koran is a revelation from God. How can you say that this is not
true?

Because it is not true. We have countlessly answered the claims that
your brought forward, and I assume you know that this claim will be
proven wrong as well.

We say, wallahu almusta'aan, that there are witnesses to the
correctness of the Quran (letter by letter) and that the Quran is from
Allah.

However, requiring witnesses to prove that the Quran is from Allah is
unncessary and useless. When we have something which is true, we don't
need anyone to tell us this is true. The witness will not add or
reduce to the truthfulness of the truth. However, a witness is needed
when the truth is cloudeed or when a decision cannot be made whether
the subject is true or false. This is the case with all of your
testaments, new and old.

If we give you the names of 10,000 witnesses who will say that the
Quran is from Allah, how would that be useful to you? Will you believe
them or mock them? But yes, we do have such witnesses, but they
neither add or reduce the truthfulness of the Quran.

You claim witnesses (but cite none, nor their testimony and
evidence), but WHAT precisely do they witness to?

At the end of his message, Robert says:

"Actually, I have read the accounts, and they are not testimony to the
truth of the Koran."

What concerns us is his statement: "I have read the accounts." And he
asks, "WHAT precisely do they witness to?"

Well, we say: What did you read? What accounts are you talking about?

What proof of his prophethood did Muhammad produce?

Many. To know them, do some homework. Once you demonstrate your
failure to do your homework, we will interfere. This is very important
for us, because just like you want "the world to know" that Islam
allows such and such, we also want the world to know that you argue
about subjects you know nothing of.

Mark's Gospel was written in Rome from the evidence of Peter,

What do you mean evidence of Peter?

who was
leader of the Apostles, and witnessed the whole of Jesus's ministry and
His Resurrection.

What can you tell us about Peter? Let's say someone made the following
statements about Peter:

1. His parents were liars.

2. His mind was somewhat malfunctioning when he talked about your
religion.

3. Others who heard him, twisted his statements.

Can you provide three contrary statements that are opposite to the
above?

This is the difference between the our witnesses and yours.

John's Gospel was written by John himself, who was an apostle, intimate
friend of Jesus, and witnessed the whole of his ministry. He also
witnessed the Resurrection.

But there isn't anything that proves that John wrote his gospel. All
you have is a gospel attributed to John, but nothing that proves that
John wrote it.

Matthew and Luke wrote their Gospels on the basis of the testimony of
first-hand witnesses.

Did they SEE or TALK TO or NAME those first hand witnesses?

Paul was a witness to the Resurrected and Glorified Jesus and had a
personal commission from Him to teach..

What mechanism did you apply on Paul to distinguish him from false
witnesses? What is this personal commission and how did it take place?
Is it similar to those Christians who appear on TV and tell the masses
"Jesus came to me last night and told me to tell you that you must
donate $25! CALL NOW!!" by any chance?

You talk about the "verification mechanisms" used on the hadith. The
hadith do not verify the claim that the Koran is divine revelation.

First, we said "verification mechanisms in Islam" not just the hadeeth
collections.

Let me ask you a question: Do you know what I mean when I say
"verification mechanisms" or not? If you know, please explain your
understanding. If you don't know, you should ask before making any
conclusions.

I ask "Do you make the same demands for verification from Islam" - that
is verification of its truth,

No. Because we are not in doubt, but they are available. If we were in
doubt, the presence of thos witnesses would be a necessity as it is in
your religion's case. Usually, a judge requires a witness to reach the
truth. In Islam this is not necessary, because the truth is within the
judge's hands. In your case, you can't survive without witnesses,
because someone has to tell you what is true and what is not because
the contents of your message will not help you reach the truth.

Allah (tt) describes your religion as such:

42:14. And they divided not till after knowledge had come to them,
through selfish transgression between themselves. And had it not been
for a Word that went forth before from your Lord for an appointed
term, the matter would have been settled between them. And verily,
those who were made to inherit the Scripture [i.e. the Taurâh (Torah)
and the Injeel (Gospel)] after them (i.e. Jews and Christians) are in
grave doubt concerning it (i.e. Allâh's true religion Islâm or
the
Qur'ân).

"grave doubt" is the primary (regardless of all your sugar coats)
reason why you need witnesses.

If you want to be introduced to those witnesses and their testimonies,
you can say you don't know and ask or you can do some homework and
hope for success.

Actually, I have read the accounts, and they are not testimony to
the truth of the Koran.

If we provide testimonies that prove the truth of the Quran from
witnesses, will you humble yourself and admit your ignorance or will
you show us what a wild ride you can accomplish on your dead horse?

Abdalla Alothman

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