Re: Roman Catholic Church
- From: lsenders@xxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 02:45:59 GMT
On Oct 1, 7:13=A0pm, Matthew Johnson <matthew_mem...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I often find it of interest to note who often people comment withoutthe wages of doing wrong. =A0They count it a pleasure to revel in the
daytime.
Just as you "count it a pleasure" to slander Rome?
recognizing just how much of their own thought processes are
revealed. You make such an accusation, not because it is indicative
of my heart, but your own. I have mentioned how many family members,
friends and acquaintances are RC with the supposition that I does NOT
pleasure me that so many have been led astray. We're not talking here
about philosophical differences but about the eternal destiny of
souls.
Matthew, I find in your responses the same thing that I find in RC
ecclesiastical order and doctrine, that is, a lacking of the Spirit
and His grace of gifts. Calvin (4:3:4) was not wrong in his
assessment of the fundamental error of the RC system or any other
system that operates without the impartation and application of the
gifts of the Spirit. And to a greater degree, John Owen expressed the
reality of this. Without gifts, the church is a mere shadow of
itself. The round of worship becomes sterile, for gospel ordinances
are found to be fruitless and unsatisfactory, without the attaining
and exercising of gospel gifts. The church falls into the ditch of
formalism and the mire of superstition. Unconcern about gifts
Quote
.... was that whereby in all ages, countenance was given unto apostasy
and defection from the power and truth of the gospel. THe names of
spiritual things were still retained, but applied to outward forms and
ceremonies, which thereby were substituted insensibly into their room,
to the ruin of the gospel in the minds of men. As the neglect of
internal saving grace, wherein the power of godliness doeth consist,
hath been the bane of Christian profession as to obedience... so the
neglect of these gifts hath been the ruin of the same profession as to
worship and order, which hath thereon issued in fond superstition.
elsewhere, but under the same subject
..... We have an instance in the Church of Rome, what various,
extravagant, and endless inventions the minds of men will put them
upon to keep up a show of worship, when by the loss of spiritual gifts
spiritual administrations are also lost. This is that which their
innumerable forms, modes, sets of rites, and ceremonies, seasons of
worship are invented to supply, but to no purpose at all; but only the
aggravation of their sin and folly.
end of quote.
The spiritual man appraises all things. Let the regenerate spiritual
appraise these things for it applies not only to monoliths such as the
RC organization, but local and independent assemblies as well who love
to have their "ears tickled" by the imaginations of those who merely
profess having a "word from God."
I put in brackets as an indicator of how it applies to the RC system,
They are [semen] stains and blemishes,
There is no word in the Greek original that could possibly be
correctly translated as 'semen' here. You must be revealing your own
obsession with impurity.
especially in the US with its hundreds if not thousands of sexual
predatory cases. A bad tree cannot produce good fruit and because the
RCO is a monolithic ecclesiastical order, such things are
representative of the whole.
As pertaining to "vicious slander", the historical record is replete
reveling in their deceptions, as they carouse with you; having eyes
full of adultery and that never cease from sin, enticing unstable
souls [children], having a heart trained in greed, accursed children
[tekna]; forsaking the right Way they have gone astray, having
followed the way of Balaam, the son of Beor, who loved the wages of
unrighteousness.... speaking out arrogant words of vanity they entice
[deceive] by fleshly desires, by sensuality, those who barely escape
from the ones who live in error."
Is this not the historical report concerning Roman and her
priesthood?
It is not. It is instead a witness to your love of vicious
slander. How did you miss all the Scriptural condemnations of slander
and the slanderer? How will YOU escape the "wages of wickedness"
referred to in the very passage you just quoted (2 Pet 2:13)?
with collaborative witness of what I have noted.
It always somewhat surprises me how quickly you run to the defense of
a system which you are always so careful to distinquish yourself
from.
Do you bow the knee to the Roman see? Or, as you accuse me of, do you
It is also a 'witness' to your own condemnation in 2 Pet 2:10-12,
since you too, "despise authority (2:10)" and "revile in matters in
which you are ignorant (2:12)".
"despise authority"?
The point was as the context directly applies to the Jews, that a
"But are you willing to recognize, you foolish fellow, that faith
without works [of divine righteousness] is useless?"
Speaking of "historical report", what "historical report" do you think
THIS gives on Protestantism, that you have to tamper with Scripture to
make your point? Or were you really hoping we would not recognize you
are tampering with James 2:20, which REALLY reads:
system devoid of the spiritual gifts is sufficient evidence of an
assembly at the very least under a degenerating apostasy. THis
applies across board of all assemblies who would place themselves
under the guise of being God's faithful representative here on earth.
Again, a bad tree cannot produce good fruit, can it?
Do you want to be shown, you shallow man, that faith apart from worksAs Hans Solo once quipped to Luke, "Gee, I must have hit pretty close
is barren? =A0(Jam 2:20 RSVA)
And yes, you are tampering with it. There is no justification for your
parenthetical interpretation, "of divine righteousness" in this
verse. It is surreptitious eisegesis.
So in one short post, you have resorted to slander, dishonest
tampering with scripture, biased and/or incompetent translation,
patently false claims to superior knowledge, hypocritical condemnation
of others for sins you yourself indulge in...
to mark to get her all riled up like that!"
The gifts of the Spirit grant unto the assemblies its inward organic
Now after seeing all that, just HOW do you think you are different
from the "foolish fellows" who "revel in deception"?
life and outward visible form. However, one need not have the Spirit
to produce merely the outward visible form, hence Christ's own
illustration of the "painted sepulcher." Along with all reformers, we
strive against false structures, dead formalism and unspiritual
disorder. The mechanical religious routines and barren professions of
faith all have direct reference to being first of all, barren of the
Spirit. It is simply, humanistic religion where man tries to
manufacture an edifice of peace by his own contrivances.
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