Re: Jesus [9] Hell: universalism

In article <5nrTf.554$Qm2.457@trndny03>, * irenic * says...

When in the U.S. last year I was surprised to see this book in several
airport bookshops (next to Rick Warren's Purpose-Driven Life): 'If Grace is
True: Why God Will Save Every Person' (Philip Gulley & James Mulholland,
HarperSanFrancisco, 2004)

Well, I am not surprised. If Timothy LaHaye's ridiculous apocalyptic series can
be so popular here, why not Warren's book, too?

[snip[

* Can God's will (God wills that 'all come to repentance') ever be
ultimately thwarted?

Yes.


[snip]

Universalism is the idea that all humans will be 'saved' / 'go to heaven'.
It's an ancient idea (the early church fathers Origen and St. Jerome
believed God would ultimately be reconciled with Satan).

But you misrepresent even what Origen said: he would never have worded it like
this, but rather, as: "Satan would ultimately be reconciled to God". The
difference is crucial.

And where do you get the idea that Jerome subscribed to this idea?

[snip]

Questions about hell and universalism are very, very important for thinking
and compassionate Christians.

Why, yes, they are important. Too important to treat as badly as you would be
reading _that_ book.

I am not sure you'll get the final answers in
this book.

And I am quite sure what you find in that book will be neither 'final', nor a
true 'answer'.

But it's worth reading,

No, it is not.

if only to challenge some deeply-held but
unexamined assumptions we all carry with us.

I'm sorry, do you have a different Gospel than I read? Where did you read the
comand "challenge unexamined assumptions"? I can't find that commandment.


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Subducat se sibi ut haereat Deo
Quidquid boni habet tribuat illi a quo factus est
(Sanctus Aurelius Augustinus, Ser. 96)

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