Re: Questions for the Next Manifestation
- From: Douglas McAdam <douglasmcadam@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 13:13:07 -0400
Dear Charles-
I thought you might be interested in the following.
THE BEGINNING INDICATES THE SOURCE, AND NOT THE TIME OF CREATION
(a) "Know that it is one of the most abstruse spiritual truths that the world of existence, that is to say this endless universe, has no beginning.' BWF p.297
(b) " There are two kinds of priorities one is essential...not preceded by a cause. As, for example, the sun has light in itself...; therefore the sun, with regard to light, is the cause...the precedent, the antecedent...'' (Thus in the beginning" was the sun it 'created the light; 'The second sort of pre-existence is the pre-existence of time, and that has no beginning.... The past, the present, the future, all in relation to God, are equal. Yesterday, today, tomorrow do not exist in the sun." SAQ p.132
(c) " For God the end is the same thing as the beginning," SAQ p.174
Our problem appears to be that unlike God we are limited by such things as "beginning and end", "up and down", "in and out", etc. and it is most difficult for us to try to imagine or prove how all this Creation began and works. Maybe when we are more spiritually developed we will understand it all to a greater extent. For example here in the USA we say "I fell down" and in Australia they might say the same thing but to us they are falling up. Now that we know about gravity etc. we can more accurately say, "I fell into the ground" and yet that would not be precise either because we don't really fall into the ground we call on top of the ground. Anyway I'm just trying to show that our perceptions are limited because of our human limitations and capacity.
regards,
doug
On Aug 4, 2009, at 10:13 PM, Charles wrote:
Nice post (and Suzanne's too!). I like your seed analogy.
anyway, per memory, Baha'u'llah does say that "the universe was
created from the heat generated by the interaction between the active
force and that which is its recipient.". That is in Gleanings, and I
should look up the exact quote. Meanwhile, we are looking at a
universe created by HEAT. This makes since scientifically, but nobody
can fully suss out the mechanisms of that heat, and how it will play
out over the next few billion years. (expand, contract, steady state,
etc.) We know that all the galaxies in the universe are expanding
away from each other, as though from a central point in either time or
space.... We can look out into space and measure the velocity of the
galaxies and surmise this. Pretty cool stuff.
Meanwhile, there is this tiny issue about "active force" and it's
"recipient" which are the same, did we but know. I have wondered if
there is some connection here with the Yin-Yang concept? This would
be the "creation" moment, though. God somehow exuding or creating or
expelling or whatever an "active force." And also receiving the exact
same force. Perhaps it is literally the Word of God? I just don't
know, and this is what I would ask if I were alive in 850 +/- years.
I do think that the concept is clear in the Writings that if God were
to remove His influence for even the tiniest second, then the entire
universe would cease to exist. This implies that some "force" from
God maintains the structure of the universe. Now, does that mean it
is at the atomic level? or the galactic level? or at some point back
from galaxies? Each solar system? etc. Or all of the above?
Gotta scoot... can't reply for another couple days from now...
regards
charles
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