Re: God's Side?

Hi Mike, It seems we are not communicating well.

You: "Your position is tantamount to stating that since alot of kids
will figure out basic math on their own being driven by financial
needs...

Me: "those who figure out basic math on their own and take care of
business are gods compared to those with advanced degrees who go
bankrupt or are otherwise a burden on others.

You: "...we shouldn't care whether or not they are taught it in
school. Then you sit back and wonder why our economy is going south?"

Me: "I think those who arise to math skills with or without what you
consider proper help are exactly the same"

You: " ...our educational system is a waste of time and money? In
essence, I think this is your advocation."

Either you missed my point completely, you are insulting me directly,
or both. My issue is whoever does God's work (basic math)is doing
God's work, no matter what religion they belong to or what name they
call God, whether they have heard of the Baha'i Faith or not. And
believing in Baha'u'llah does nothing for anyone unless and until that
belief motivates us to do God's work. And when we do, we are exactly
as good as other who do God's work in whatever name they were
motivated.

--Kent

On Sep 22, 9:05 am, mikera...@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
Maybe my position is, in your terms, that those who figure out basic mat
h on their own and take care of business are >gods compared to those with a
dvanced degrees who go bankrupt or are otherwise a burden on others.  If
that is what you >are talking about, I think those who arise to math skills
with or without what you consider proper help are exactly the >same.

If I can surmise what you are stating here, is in effect that our
educational system is a waste of time and money? In essence, I think
this is your advocation.

and again, If that is the case, I couldn't disagree more.

As far as the Gods are concerned, you first need a golden calf which
right now, might not be a bad investment because I think your gods may
be failing you.

Has it been your experience that Baha'is are well organized?

It depends. In this country, there is a definative lack of sufficient
Baha'is to even consider legitimate organization. In countries like
India, where there are schools, or in Iran, pre-revolution, where
there where already Baha'i hospitals in the 60's, the answer is yes,
they were amazingly well organized. Recenty in Iran, Baha'is organized
a universty right under the nose of the government, until it was shut
down. It's a matter of where you live, whose oppressing you, and your
cutlure that determines the level of organization.  It really all
depends on where and whom you are talking about.
Remember the Baha'i community is a world community and it would be a
mistake to take your local experience as the norm.
This leads me to your other issue. You are right in stating that if
Baha'is don't act others will take up the slack, but wrong in the
assumption about whom. If Baha'is in the US don't expand and meet the
needs then the crown of wealth given to the US will move to another
country with a more organized Baha'i community, ie. India. The US will
systematically lose its' prominence and will fall to the sidelines.
What has happened in India since the evolution of a larger Baha'i
community there?

Imagine if we continue on our path and ask yourself these questions.
Do we need international environmental regulations to ensure our own
productive crops? Do we need a multinational police force to take the
heat and cost of terrorism off our shoulders? Do we need a global
currency to stabilize our now global markets? What would globalizing
the dollar do to our economy? Are these things necessary, how much
longer do you want to shoulder both the tax cost and the environmental
cost?

The best question of all is what is going to happen to both our
economy and food supply if these things are not in play.


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