Re: blind faith

Doug wrote: "By the way Poster, the only two symbols in existence are the
straight
line and circle and all things proceed from these.

By the way, everyone reading this, that is NOT a Baha'i teaching.

--Kent


"Douglas McAdam" <douglasmcadam@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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By the way Poster, the only two symbols in existence are the straight
line and circle and all things proceed from these.
As to evolution well we can see a human being was not created as is
because we witness the evolutionary stages in the womb of the mother.

So why not this also in the universe?

regards,
doug
On Jan 10, 2008, at 12:58 PM, poster8567@xxxxxxxxx wrote:

On Jan 8, 7:03 pm, Paul Bartlett <bartl...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
That is why I cannot accept `Abdu'l-Baha's statement that in the course
of evolution, man was always man no matter what he looked like in the
past. Humans are an emergent phenomenon, and the Second Law of
Thermodynamics really doesn't have that much to do with it.

I think the key here is that you were always you. At what point did
you come into existence. When the sperm meets the egg? Prior to this
you are at best, sperm and egg? At what point did man come into
existence? Man was always man, just as you were always you. As a
concept you pre-existed your physical self. At what point did man come
into existence and what do we define as man? Man exists as the entity
that has the potential to know and worship God. So long as the
potential existed, man was always man in this regard he didn't evolve.
As an embryo you had the potential to be you, you were always you.
This is an important understanding and will carry over into other
spheres of understanding. Ie. Suppose you travel into space to
discover aliens who can also know and worship God. Or you make a
computer that can know and worship God. I'd argue that they too are
man in the sense that Abdu'l-Baha was talking. But on an evolutionary
scale, man was always man, just as you were always you. At some point
in our long history physical man was born in whatever form, but his
ability to know and worship God made him man. His statements are not
inconsistent with what I am saying here nor are they inconsistent with
evolution.

The question (which I have read here before and is not mine) which I'd
like the answer to, is where do *concepts* exist? Ie. The cirlce as a
concept, where does it exist?

Allah'u'Abha







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