Re: Impasses...

Hi Larry, I can see from what you wrote that you are not understanding me at
all.

As soon as you state that you are believer
in the oneness of humanity though you had better understand and be
certain what are the just and equitable reasons for excluding certain
people from the unity which is implict in humanities oneness.<

You have no right to say that to me, any more than I have a right to say to
you that you can't withdraw from the Baha'i Faith (I could give you good
reasons) or spank your children, or pay your phone bill before your rent.
You offend me by telling me what I have to do.

Whether or not I have reasons for what I do is no concern of yours. You can
recommend I follow your advice, or the advice of Baha'u'llah's or Zeus', but
these are my concerns, not yours.

I am a believer in the oneness of humanity and I will use whatever reasons
I want for doing what I want.

Is race a just reason for exclusion? Is ethnicity a just reason for
exclusion? Is nationality a just reason for exclusion? Is religion or
religious interpretation a just reason for exclusion?

Those are valid topics for discussion. But each one has it's own issues
within issues. Suppose the black person you think I should invite can't
speak any language of any of the other people in the house. Should I invite
the person in? Or am I using race as a reason for exclusion? Please don't
answer the question for me, Larry, it is my question. I will answer it
without your help.

Suppose I want to have ethnic Arabs and Ethnic Jews over to roast a pig. Is
that a good idea Larry? Please don't answer.

My religion teaches that I need to independently investigate and interpret
my religion. I will not use your interpretation, but rather mine. I will
take into account what I have heard you and others say because that is part
of my investigation. Then I will do what I believe is right, independently
of all the harassment I receive from anyone.

So, in case you didn't hear me before, there is ambiguity in life, in
reason, in morals, in religious teachings. We need to make our own
decisions, follow our own star, investigate the truth for ourselves. Larry
can offer advice, but he had better not tell me what I had better do. That
crosses the line.

--Kent




"diamondsouled" <rowe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:1156300195.477606.326340@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Howdy Kent,

It seems that once again I have to reiterate what I've already
reiterated many times before.

It is up to each one of us to see through our own eyes, to hear with
our own ears, to understand through our own knowledge.

I can't see through your eyes Kent I can only explain to you how
things look through my own eyes.

I always attempt to back up what I see and say through referring to
the writings.

Like I said before Kent you are free to invite whom ever you want into
your home. You can use the basis of personal hygene or whatever you
like to screen those people. As soon as you state that you are believer
in the oneness of humanity though you had better understand and be
certain what are the just and equitable reasons for excluding certain
people from the unity which is implict in humanities oneness.

Is race a just reason for exclusion? Is ethnicity a just reason for
exclusion? Is nationality a just reason for exclusion? Is religion or
religious interpretation a just reason for exclusion?

What I've attempted to convey is that there is no just reason for
exclusion that does not take into account a person's character. As you
pointed out a person can be a religious axe murderer.

It is your decision Kent and I have always stated that it is up to
each of us to see with our own eyes.

When those who purport to act on our behalf commit actions that are
injust or inequitable we must decide whether to remain mute or to speak
out. It is our choice and no one elses. I choose to speak out. What you
do is up to you. As Abdu'l-Baha I respect the sacredness and sanctity
of human conscience:

These are effectual and sufficient proofs that the conscience of man
is sacred and to be respected; and that liberty thereof produces
widening of ideas, amendment of morals, improvement of conduct,
disclosure of the secrets of creation, and manifestation of the hidden
verities of the contingent world. Moreover, if interrogation of
conscience, which is one of the private possessions of the heart and
the soul, take place in this world, what further recompense remains for
man in the court of divine justice at the day of general resurrection?
Convictions and ideas are within the scope of the comprehension of the
King of kings, not of kings; and soul and conscience are between the
fingers of control of the Lord of hearts, not of [His] servants. So in
the world of existence two persons unanimous in all grades [of thought]
and all beliefs cannot be found. 'The ways unto God are as the number
of the breaths of [His] creatures' is a mysterious truth

(Abdu'l-Baha, A Traveller's Narrative, p. 91)

Yours

Larry Rowe



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