Re: Inequality/ was Re: A job for life and source of income

On 11/28/05, Douglas McAdam <douglasmcadam@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> On Nov 27, 2005, at 6:47 PM, Gilberto Simpson wrote:
>
> >> OK my friend Gilberto, so then explain to me why the Muslims are
> >> changing their practices of treating women unequally? what has caused
> >> this if not a new Revelation that definitely teaches about equality of
> >> all types, race, gender, class, religion, etc.?
> >
> > Because in many different societies people are becoming more aware of
> > certain kinds of oppression. People who are being oppressed are
> > becoming more vocal and pushing for certain kinds of changes. But
> > there is no indication that this is happening due to Bahaullah.
>
> And how is it they "feel" and realize change is needed?

Because they have eyes, and a basic amount of empathy it is natural to
feel something when people are unnecessarily suffering. Also another
part of the picture is the fact that chattel slavery as practiced in
the Americas was actually more brutal than the forms of slavery
practiced elsewhere. So the abusive nature of the institution was much
clearer.


> Why did people
> change during and after the appearance of Muhammad?

What kind of change do you have in mind?


> What new thing happened in the world to cause all this change?

Again, be specific please. Which change?

Why
> since slightly before and certainly after 1844 knowledge has been
> increasing so fast we cannot keep up to it.
> Gilberto, do you really not see that mankind's progress is due to
> Revelations from God?

I think some kinds of developments are pretty clearly associated with
certain religious institutions. The Church pretty clearly was a patron
of the arts. The Jesuits pretty clearly promoted learning. Muslim
scientists were pretty clearly prompted by Islam to study the world
and pretty clearly jumpstarted the Renaissance.

But even as a Muslim I wouldn't say that Muhammad (saaws) was somehow
responsible for every scientific discovery from the decline of
Christianity to 1844.

I think you are giving the Manifestations credit for scientific and
moral advancement but with very little direct evidence of a
connection.


> Now that brings up something really strange to me. Supposing we take
> your interpretation of the finality of the Qur'an etc. Then how come
> Mormons, Baha'is and many other religions have come to man?

I don't know what kind of answer you would understand. If you study
religion you would find that there are MANY MANY different people who
come up and claim to be sent by God in one way or another.Do you
believe all of them? If not, then you too have to come up with an
explanation for how false religious leaders arise and still manage to
gain a large number of followers.

Peace

Gilberto

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