Re: seeking

d4g4hd@xxxxxxxxxxx (David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)) wrote in
news:1hv9ptr.i9jkbh148rebhN%d4g4hd@xxxxxxxxxxx:

Mr. Clean <mrclean@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Mon, 19 Mar 2007 20:47:43 +0000, d4g4hd@xxxxxxxxxxx (David
Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)) spake thusly:

Hypodeemic Nerdle <grk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Mon, 19 Mar 2007 20:29:05 +0000, d4g4hd@xxxxxxxxxxx (David
Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)) wrote this:

You're trading something, for sure. This thread leaves a bit
of a bad taste, speaking only for myself, natch.

What perturbs you about this post, David?

It's the whole thread more than the post, but "sloppy
over-the-hill drinkers" rubs me the wrong way, for a start. My
own experience of people in AA (including the family member who
is closest to me) has been mixed- it seems to have worked for
some, not for others.

How it Works

Rarely have we seen a person fail who has thoroughly
followed our path.

Quite why you felt compelled to quote all of this, I don't know.
Personally, I find a lot of it offensive.

Yes. The huge quotation is *exactly* the kind of behavior by AA
supporters that causes people like me to think less of AA.

My family member didn't fail when he left AA. Not in the
slightest- the decision to leave worked well for him. The AA
programm works excellently for some people, and that's great. I'm
sincerely very happy for them. But I also think it's a mistake to
use the kind of language that you quoted for everyone who leaves
AA.

The line that grates for me is this:

Rarely have we seen a person fail who has thoroughly followed
our path.

In other words, failure is *your* fault, not the program's.

It's that blindness and arrogance that is exhibited so often in the
pro-AA propaganda I've run onto, and it's what makes me think the
whole thing has to be a horrid scam.

--
David W. Fenton http://www.dfenton.com/
usenet at dfenton dot com http://www.dfenton.com/DFA/
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