Re: Feminist Tyrannical "Monopoly Capitalistic" State

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Andrew Usher <k_over_hbarc@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Dec 20, 6:46 pm, PolishKnight <marek1...@xxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

If I was in the ruling class, I certainly wouldn't want to
see
society
going in this direction. It's just too messy and
unnecessary.

But you aren't, and your opinion means nothing to them.

Late Merry Christmas Andrew. I was in Times-Square for the
day!

Hmmm, that's the problem I have with the super-elite making
feminism
for
their own ends theory. If opinions from me are so unimportant,
why
the
bother with all these pretenses to control the masses? _I'm_
one
of
the
masses! :-)

They obviously
don't think like you, as they aren't making any serious
effort to
change it.

Or maybe they don't exist in this context. The ruling class
may
simply
be a group of groups of people in a kind of democratic battle
for
power
such as the different families of Renassaince Italy battling it
out
but
like the Mexican soap operas on Telemundo, aren't really all
that
different than you and I.

One thing you have to remember, when thinking about the
ruling class, is that their ideology is controlled by Jews.
And
Jews
don't think like we do.

I spent the weekend in Brighton Beach and sometimes I do think
like
a
Jew. They have wonderful neighborhoods, great food, are hard
workers
and most importantly, care about each other.

While Brighton Beach may be a nice place to visit, I'm not sure
I'd want to live there. The murder and robbery crime rates are
near
twice the national average.

http://homes.point2.com/Neighborhood/US/New-York/New-York-
City/Brooklyn/Brighton-Beach-Demographics.aspx

<<snip>>

Hello MarkB,

People say that about NYC in general (NPTVBIWWTLT) and BB is about
the
same as the rest of Manhattan including the more upscale districts
such
as Chelsea. As you know, crime has gone DOWN significantly in NYC
and
the boroughs in recent years.


Umm---minor correction---BB is not part of Manhattan, like Greenwich
Village, Chelsea, or the Upper East Side. It is part of Brooklyn.

Bad wording on my part. I was aware it was part of Brooklyn but I
wanted to emphasize that even a high end district of Manhattan could
also be crime ridden. Comparing BB to the rest of Brooklyn wouldn't be
useful. :-)

Apparently, crime has gone down almost everywhere in recent years---
leaving Brighton Beach, Brooklyn, and the other NYC boroughs still
above the national average.

Agreed. Minor correction though: the universe is a rather large place
and I don't think you intended to include the Andromeda galaxy. :-)

Why not? I'll provide a link as soon as my quantum tunneling link gets
back on line. Apparently, the router at Alpha Centauri is off line!
;-)


. I suppose that security measures, like cast
iron grillwork on first-floor windows, triple locks and bars on
doors,
etc. etc., are part of the price one pays for living in a major
metro area.

I was watching an episode of the Grenada version of Sherlock Holmes and
found Sherlock's commentary on the countryside rather amusing. He
expressed a detective's concern that out in the middle of nowhere,
anything could happen. :-) While that seems like a rediculous thing to
say nowadays considering statistics, England has seen rural crime
skyrocket since they disarmed the farmers and left them to the tender
mercies of the hooligans...

You'll have to provide some cites on that. AFAIK, people all over
England can still own rifles and shotguns if they are willing to
get the proper certificates. (A shotgun certificate costs about
10 pounds per year.)

http://www.marplerifleandpistolclub.org.uk/general/gunlaw.htm

Do you have cites showning that firearms have actually been confiscated
by the government?

Actually, it was Canada:

http://www.nraila.org/Issues/Articles/Read.aspx?id=4&issue=006
"When the newer law passed five years ago, they were given three
options: sell their handguns to any dealer or individual legally
qualified to buy them (not a real option because the number of potential
buyers was so small); render them inoperable; or surrender them to the
government without compensation."

OK. So in Canada you can't have a handgun, but can still have rifles,
shotguns, etc. That's quite different from " England has seen rural
crime skyrocket since they disarmed the farmers and left them to the
tender mercies of the hooligans..."

And by the same token, MarkB, farmers being required to get statements
from their doctors, put in large gun safes, and subject themselves to
police inspections from time to time in the HOPES of being allowed to
possess a shotgun is "quite different" from a mere 10 pound license fee
you cited.

According to wiki:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_the_United_Kingdom
"Since 1946, self-defence has not been considered a valid reason to own
a firearm."
"A local police force may impose additional conditions on ownership,
over and above those set out by law. Failure to comply with any of these
conditions can mean forfeiture of the licence and surrender of any
firearms to the police, though due to the complicated laws, different
forces in the UK interpret the regulations in different ways, and many
conditions have been overthrown following legal proceedings against
issuing Police forces."

OK. so the UK has multiple juridictions over firearms. That's quite
different from " England has seen rural crime skyrocket since they
disarmed the farmers and left them to the tender mercies of the
hooligans..."

A simple google search on "rural crime England" produced:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/6923831/Rural-crime-wave-exp
osed-in-new-figures.html

Rural crime wave exposed in new figures
Violent crime has increased in the countryside at a faster rate than in
towns and cities, the Conservatives have claimed in an analysis of crime
figures over the past decade.

Keep in mind that we had just recently discussed that crime in the
states was DECREASING overall (remember the Brighton Beach thread?) Yet
in jolly ol' gun control England, they're seeing rural crime rise along
with the rest of the nation!

Maybe rural farmers in England should move to Brighton Beach to be
safer! :-)

When I visited my wife's childhood farming community, she remarked that
everyone was going to know who I was by the end of the day since
newcomers were terribly interesting to them.

That would be a difference between metro areas and more rural areas.
Anonymity is certainly easier to maintain in the city.

That may change in the coming years as electronic surveillance becomes
more sophisticated. This is limited today because most ATM and store
security cameras are lousy and 1970's grade technology. Imagine in a
decade or two when it will be possible for a policeman to do a google
search of all the businesses and residents in a block and subpoena them
for their security camera footage. Dick Tracy would be excited!

Yet, that won't have more than a transitory effect on the millions of
Americans who live outside the major cities.

I was thinking that if our armed forces and politics had the same
attitude as they had in the 1940's occupation of Japan, every resident
of Iraq would be required to wear an ankle bracelet and cameras would be
on every streetcorner... (and by the same token, if WWII was fought with
the same media coverage as today, we'd be speaking German now. More on
that in a minute. :-)

Whether a place is just nice to visit or worth moving to depends a
lot
on whether you can find a job there that makes up for the stress and
cost of living. I suppose that's true whether you consider a
banking
job in Manhattan, or a job in the North Dakota oil fields for
$90K/yr.
(BTW, I grew up in the Northern plains of Montana, and living in
a trailer park during those winters is NOT appealing. I spent
several winters in WWII-surplus uninsulated strip houses. Brrrr!)

Mark Borgerson

Indeed. I often throw this back in the face of leftists who comment
about how great Germany and Sweden is. Apparently, their inability to
learn Swedish or German and get a high paying job there has something
to
do with it. Also, most of them live in suburban regions which
strangely
don't have too many typical leftist voters in them.

I was thinking about visiting the family roots in Norway a while
back---until I found that the costs of travel there are very high---
even compared to other Northern European areas.

I suspect that there are high-paying jobs in much of Scandinavia where
English alone would be acceptable---but there's probably a lot of
competition for them.

Hmmm--do you think Leftists less capable of learning a new language
than are Rightists? ;-)

I could answer that question if a right winger was also praising
Scandinavia and yet didn't want to move there.

What does praising Scandinavia have to to with the capability to
learn a new language?

Are you pulling my leg here?

Logically, I am not comparing right wingers' ability to learn languages
when I observe that leftists may have a problem doing so in their
refusal to learn a new language and move to another country. The left
winger is putting his ability to learn new languages to the test,
indirectly, by refusing to do so and follow up on his sentiments.

Let's try this: I don't want to be a plumber and have no interest in
taking the test to certify myself as one. But if a leftist friend was
interested, hypothetically, and refused to take the test and go then his
ability to take the test would come under suspicion. It has nothing to
do with my personal ability or lack thereof of being a plumber since my
ability, or inability, is irrelevent in that case.

Get it?

FYI, I have been to Finland and Stockholm and they speak very good
English (at least in the cities) and the cost of living is high, but
doable for a short term visit. Don't blow a lot of money out at
restaurants, etc.

If I could get a decent paying job in Poland or Switzerland, I'd be
gone
in a heartbeat.

I don't know about Poland, but Switzerland seems to have pretty high
barriers to immigration.

"People residing in countries other than those mentioned above can apply
for one of a limited number of long-stay visas only if a Swiss company,
for a position that cannot be filled by a Swiss resident, offers them a
job contract. In general, these visas are granted to only very highly
skilled foreign workers."

http://www.takingupresidence.com/switzerland/visas-permits/current-
immigration-policy.3.html

So you'd better have a solid job offer or you're not going to be working
there.

I almost did once but it fell through. Long story.

I chuckled because, in theory, that's how the H1B visa regime is
supposed to work in the USA. :-)

When I pointed this out to them, they got all huffy and said: "How dare
you try "love it or leave it on me?" and I remarked back that (most)
Americans' ancestry is from people who practiced that philosophy and
came here in the first place. :-)

Is there a generational expiration clause on the "Love it or Leave
It" policy? It's certainly possible that some of the national
characteristics that moved people from one country to another
might have reversed over the decades. Certainly the 3.3% unemployment
rate in Norway might make it attractive to lots of people of Norwegian
ethnicity in the US. However, as you point out, there are legal and
practical barriers to emigration today.

Mark Borgerson

It's useful to look behind the statistics sometimes. From a google
search on "norway unemployment":

http://www.newsinenglish.no/2010/05/05/unemployment-rate-artificially-low
/
Unemployment rate 'artificially low'
May 5, 2010
Norway has been boasting the lowest unemployment rate in Europe for
months, but researchers now suggest the real numbers of Norwegians out
of work are higher. Both the researchers and some opposition politicians
think published jobless rates have been "artificially low."
[...]

OK. So there are mixed opinions on unemployment in Norway. Do the
researchers think that the rate is anywhere near the US rate?

Which US rate? The one we currently publish or the one that is higher
when those who have quit looking for work are taken into account?

That means unemployed persons are collecting disability payments instead
of unemployment benefits, and thus don't turn up in the unemployment
rolls. Norway, meanwhile, has the highest rate of workers on disability
in Europe.

And what is that rate?

Which rate? The disability rate? I can surely look that up but I'm
unsure why it matters. I was merely showing that a low unemployment
rate doesn't necessarily mean that the workforce is productive or that
the government socialist policies are working as well as stated.

It's well known that many young people in Western Europe don't bother
going to work since education is "free" so they can just go to graduate
school as a "job". It's not uncommon to see students gradudate at late
as their early 30's. Then with a retirement age of 60 (and in Greece,
it was even lower), they get maybe 30 years labor out of them.

At least in Germany and Scandinavia, it seems to be 30 pretty productive
years.

If Germany was bailing out the IMF in order to keep the dollar afloat,
you'd have a point there. :-)

Which begs the question: Who does the dirty work? Who fixes plumbing or
does construction work, etc? Increasingly, it's their own version of
"illegal immigrants" (don't know about Norway but heard plenty about
this from my friends in Britain, France, and Germany). It's weird that
they despise Poles who largely want to work there, get some money to buy
a home back in Poland, and go there. So Muslim immigration has
skyrocketed in the past few decades as Turks cleaned the homes of aging
professors and their 30 year old kids still in school and then the
workers get a few anchor babies and decide to stay.

Plumbing and construction work are generally pretty high-paying jobs
in the US. Is it different in Europe?

Apparently, you've never driven by a Home Depot and observed the various
day laborers hanging around...

In answer to your question, it's increasingly much like the USA where
working class Germans who had earned significant amounts of money at
such work including as nannies have seen their wages plummet as Turks
and, yes, Poles have taken over their jobs and they even tried to pass a
few laws to keep the immigrants out of the jobs but have been
overturned. That's what I heard from Poles I know in Germany...

So pretty soon, most of Western Europe will be just like the USA in more
ways than one. :-)

And when do you think that is going to happen?

If someone had asked me when I was a kid in the 70's if the USA would be
like it is today, I would have doubted them. I could easily happen in
both of our lifetimes (even with you being significantly older than me.)

Will they revert to a
system without national health care? Will they cut off the pensions
of the 60-year-old retirees?

Let's consider the former USSR. That system basically collapsed about
as far as any. They still had national health care and pensions but
they weren't significant because the budgets for the nation was kaput.
So no doubt the infrastructure will remain in place but will be poor
(literally). "Austerity" measures already are raising the retirement
age so they won't be cut off but will simply need to live longer (I
refer to social security as an income transfer system from working black
men to white women since most working black men die before they can
collect benefits and white women live the longest.)


Mark Borgerson

regards,
PolishKnight
.

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