Re: Feminists Pledging Even Bigger Capitalist Bailout

On Mar 1, 1:10 am, ☥ Turin ☥ <TurinTuramba...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Feb 28, 9:21 pm, Stormy <stormy_she...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Feb 28, 2:02 pm, ☥ Turin ☥ <TurinTuramba...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

If McCorpse and Thunder-Thighs Patton had won, inthtead, it would be
the thame thing, minuth all of the drama dethigned to blame everything
on the Demoncraps. The Republicuntth knew they could just thit back
and point fingerth, all the while thtill getting they puthy-ath faggy
way....

LOL hi Turin

Hey, Storm.

http://turinturambar.fortunecity.com/blog/entry60.html

Obama pledges bigger Wall Street bailout

By Patrick Martin
25 February 2009

In his first presidential address to a joint session of Congress,
President Barack Obama defended the ongoing federal bailout of the
banks and pledged that even greater sums would be funneled from the US
Treasury to support Wall Street.

you go Barry! LOL

Yeah, he knows what he's doing. He's another scumbag Uncle Tom, like
Rumpripples Van Mechelen and Greasy Assflip, but he'll finally do the
job.


LOL

The nationally-televised speech Tuesday night had two main themes.
Obama sought to defuse the enormous public hostility to the financial
interests responsible for the deepening economic crisis, declaring
that he could not "govern out of anger."

And he advanced a reactionary nationalistic rationale for his major
domestic policy initiatives on energy, health care and education,
going so far as to suggest that young people who drop out of high
school were committing a crime against the country.

The speech was suffused with patriotism and invocations of the
supposed unique greatness of American society, a tone which contrasted
sharply with the stark character of the economic crisis that he was
compelled to acknowledge, and the failings in health care and
education that he outlined.

'Unique' is right! Only in stupid arrogant America can everything be a
mess except for the way of life.

Ain't it...? Truly, is U.S.'s greatest resource its people. Yes,
only with such a huge pool of blind - yet, belligerent - faith in self-
infallibility and empty feminist promises in materialism can the
majority of a population be persuaded to continually allow itself to
be used and consumed like disposable slaves ...all the while, with the
resources to enlightenment surrounding it. Practically, free for the
taking. Yet, completely ignored.

The showdown between feminist capitalism and Masculinist Marxism is no
accident. Before we win, the effete spineless opportunists will be
crawling at our feet, begging for stipends while clutching their
worthless fucking U.S. dollars ...selling themselves to new masters.
Hahaha. The easy way, generally, isn't the best way.

It was an awkward straddle to shift from celebrating America as "the
greatest force of progress and prosperity in human history" to
declaring that under his administration the American government would
no longer torture people—as though such a verbal rejection of
barbarism were something to be proud of.

At least he found one good thing about capitalism :)

Yes: When it says it's sorry for being bad. ;D

The first half of the speech was devoted to the economic crisis and
the measures announced by the Obama administration over the past five
weeks, including a second round of the bank bailout, the passage of
the $787 billion economic stimulus bill and bailout proposals for the
auto and housing industries.

In response to criticism from Wall Street interests—echoed recently by
former president Bill Clinton—that his characterization of the
economic crisis was too negative, Obama was at pains to espouse a
rather forced optimism about the direction of the US economy.

LOL "We'll do better next quarter people, an' troops out only by the
end of 2010!"

Lmao ...well, at least, the Demoncreeps are getting screwed, too.
Fuckers.

"While our economy may be weakened and our confidence shaken," he
said, "though we are living through difficult and uncertain times,
tonight I want every American to know this: We will rebuild, we will
recover, and the United States of America will emerge stronger than
before."

There was no attempt to provide a rational basis for this supposed
confidence in the future of the capitalist system, which faces the
greatest crisis in a century. Instead, Obama attempted to blame the
American people for the crisis, as he did in his inauguration speech,
and thus shift the responsibility away from the American capitalist
class.

You are so right Obama! We forfeit our freedoms because of the
presumption that we're already the most free people on earth an' so we
let corporate power rise unchecked until we become defacto slaves!
the stupid part of the population never knows it until the private
media tells them :(

It depends on how much of the power the people have. I think that
U.S. citizens are more culpable, than most, because they've long had
free access to libraries and other forms of media, for many
generations predating the Information Age.

Instead, they've drowned themselves in entertainment, under - as you
say - a grotesque assumption that just because they live in a country
that proclaims itself as the free-est on Earth, then there is no need
to make an effort to, either, preserve it, OR to better themselves.
Rather, they've been turned into a feminist country of sagging "Joe
Averages" who don't aspire to anything. Only, to "fit in" with the
nearest level of sewage that they were born near to. It's enough to
make one angry, it is.


Men don't have much going for them that's for sure. Maybe if they read
more they would get smart and create real action committees instead of
whining against socialism on the Internet in their silly private
groups or being followers of right wing talk show hosts who are only
enriching themselves.

Well, that day's over. Capitalism's self-glorified ideal of "being
able to adapt" (I.e. of breaking the rules, when rules aren't
convenient) is soon about to adapt itself to the welfare line. Not to
mention, to the reality of antithetical nations having nukes.


Good point! When you aren't #1 no one has to listen either LOL! now we
have to play ball with the rest of the world an' things will start
getting better .

And, that's really bad for capitalists, because when they can't stack
the game, or cheat in other ways, then they can't win, either. Pretty
soon, taking their ball and going home isn't going to do diddley,
either. Lmao


I happen to know that my old boss will soon be losing his house LOLOL
That jerkoff really has it coming an' I'm doing such a happy dance
around here!

"Now, if we're honest with ourselves," he said, "we'll admit that for
too long we have not always met these responsibilities—as a government
or as a people... we still managed to spend more money and pile up
more debt, both as individuals and through our government, than ever
before."

This invocation of dual authorship of the crisis, the government and
the people, is deliberately crafted to exclude the most important
social category: class. It was not the "people" who created the multi-
trillion-dollar casino on Wall Street, who profited from hedge funds,
CDOs, credit-default swaps and other speculative devices.

But they did run up their own lines of credit and remortgaged their
houses. Instead of taking their fair share of the blame they dump it
all on poor people of little education for not understanding the fine
print on a house or passing up a good deal. There's blame to go
around Mr. Martin!

Yes, and not just on the poor, either.

It's, mostly, on the wasteful, entitled middle class: Besides the way
that they, themselves, live, they, themselves, also work in the
professions that would make the loans to these poor bastards who got
railroaded by these phony programs ...believing that a way to give
them a leg up toward becoming property owners, instead of mere
renters, had been devised for them.


Exploitation!

How shitty. Now, the bastards who helped do it to them are feeling
the bite, too. Good. It's going to get worse.


payback is a bitch :)

Working people had neither the resources nor the demented drive for
personal wealth accumulation required to participate in the looting
spree conducted by the American financial elite over the past three
decades. Any account of the crisis that equates bankrupt billionaire
financiers and foreclosed working class homeowners as equally
"irresponsible" is a travesty.

Crummy capitalists finally drove the whole pig into the ground :)

Yes, and while the bourgeois are trying to snow people into believing
that it was purely these mortgages, to low-income home-buyers, that
wrecked the economy, the sellers were CAPITALISTS. These were free-
market CAPITALIST transactions that were taking place. Not, public
dole social programs.

So: Out of one side of their mouths, they shout, "free markets!" Out
of the other, they mumble for regulation. Where's their fucking
PRIDE??? Neo-Conservatism/Liberalism are just spoiled, spineless
cowards. The whole country should gang up and beat the *** out of
all of these worthless human beings.


LOL

Obama claimed that his number one priority was to create jobs,
although the number of jobs purportedly created by the economic
stimulus bill, 3.5 million over two years, would put less than one
third of today's unemployed back to work, let alone the millions who
are expected to lose their jobs in the coming months as the recession
worsens.

an' that's still better than what McCain would have done for us

Yep.

He declared that his administration would "act with the full force of
the federal government" to prop up the major banks—a far greater
commitment than has been made to keep workers in their jobs or homes,
let alone improve their conditions of life.

He then added, "this plan will require significant resources from the
federal government--and yes, probably more than we've already set
aside." That constituted a preliminary announcement that another Wall
Street bailout is in the works, on top of the $700 billion already
approved for handover to the financial interests.

LOL whatever means necessary Obama! I'm for however many it takes
until we nationalize! nationalize! nationalize!! :)

Lmao

Obama acknowledged that the American people were "infuriated by the
mismanagement" of Wall Street CEOs and speculators, and he admitted,
"I know how unpopular it is to be seen as helping banks right now,
especially when everyone is suffering in part from their bad
decisions." But he argued, "in a time of crisis, we cannot afford to
govern out of anger or yield to the politics of the moment."

It is worth pointing out the extraordinary class bias expressed here.
The American capitalist class has triggered the greatest financial
catastrophe in history, one which has plunged not only the United
States but the entire world economy into a slump of enormous
dimensions. Millions face the loss of their jobs, their pensions,
their ability to send their children to college. But, says Obama, they
must not hold a grudge against those responsible!

Who cares!!! Corporations are based on worthless paper and foreign
investment now! Once we nationalize there won't be any more going back
an' for the first year I'm going to do nothing but party every
night!! :)

Lmfao

He closed the first half of his speech with a brazen lie. "I will do
whatever it takes" to revive the financial system, he said, then
added, "It's not about helping banks—it's about helping people."

It doesn't matter if Barry really is trying to help out the rich.
capitalism has finally lost it's last leg an' government ownership of
means of productiion are all there is left. Already two governments
have collapsed and lots more fun stuff are going on PLUS global
warming, so you can add carbon taxation too. We may as well all get
comfortable an' give up our class warfare because it won't do us any
more good.

I just poked the frog with my fork. It's almost ready.

...Want a leg? ;D


yes and the whole pond too!

The second half of Obama's speech—except for a final brief survey of
foreign policy—was an elaboration of three major domestic policy
initiatives—on energy, health care and education. These are issues of
vital concern to the vast majority of working people, but Obama made
the case for his policies on patriotic grounds, not those of social
need.

Turin did you see this from the same site?
http://wsws.org/articles/2009/feb2009/pers-f25.shtml

This line really says it:

"Krugman's position demonstrates that liberalism is a variety of
bourgeois politics, based on the defense of the profit system. He
asserts that the goal is to maintain private ownership of the banks.
But why should that be the goal of public policy?"

Liberals are *not* Marxists, or other "leftists".

Liberals are just capitalists who don't own the means of production.
For the most part, they're from that two-or-three generations of
working class piss-pots who went to college. They generally hail from
the 1960s-1980s, and have a very romanticized niche outlook, as
opposed to anything meaningful to the true leftist. Other than
procuring cheap labor for the capitalist, in the form of bimbos and
minorities, all they're good for is flaunting convention and being
different in shallow, petty, misfit ways.


most libs are nerds but so are most conservatives. cowards are so
unsexy

They follow fads, not politics.

Put a liberal in a fakey situation of artsy symbolic "protest" and he/
she is right at home. Especially, if there's some hypocritical lite-
weight commercialism paying for the occasion. Put a liberal in a
situation of real protest - *against* some form of consumerism or
against a genuine *injustice* - and watch him/her run like hell.
Leftists fight for social justice, against opposition. Liberals fight
for what's trendy and acceptable.


America is really the best place for the liberals and their game. In
other countries the leftists are the leftists!

The only exception is when liberals are fighting for their own
minority or gender status. (For example, Roderick Van Mechelen, the
Cowlitz Native American who also suffers from a mental
disability ...and who knows how to play either whenever he's in some
sort of trouble, such as from pulling mail order scams). But, even
pre-approved groups have become passe and conservative. Therefore,
many of those people have lost their grit and have become cowards
looking down their noses at the fighters who put them where they could
strut, posture and take it easy. Black hip-hoppers are a good
example.


Hip hop is so for little black boys :)

He claimed that the federal government must not "supplant" private
enterprise, but assist it by developing "clean, renewable energy,"
addressing "the crushing cost of health care," which is bankrupting
both individuals and businesses, and expanding the education of the
future American work force.

I always liked this part of Obama's policies. If he can finally get
our country on sustainable energy then that could be the most
important thing of all. The politics of oil are the real problem.
They won't let him but if he could nationalize our oil then most of
our other problems would fall into place a lot easier.

I think that green power and nuclear power are both good ideas. Oil
is poisonous because it's very nature lends itself to consumerism.

OMG! How is nuclear power a good idea? It's so unsafe.

Stormy

Stormy> Whatever the illusions of Obama's liberal apologists, there is nothing
remotely progressive about an argument for reorganizing health care or
education based on improving the international competitiveness of
American capitalism.

There is a logic to politics, and the American nationalism constantly
invoked by Obama leads inexorably to imperialist war overseas and the
repression of social discontent at home.

This was expressed in perhaps the most chilling passage of the speech,
when he declared, "dropping out of high school is no longer an option..
It's not just quitting on yourself, it's quitting on your country."
This was followed by a call for "a renewed spirit of national service"
and the passage of legislation to expand programs that pay for college
education for youth who join the military or enroll in other
government service programs.

The real meaning of this extraordinary statement can be summarized as
follows: Young people who drop out of school are not victims of a
social crisis produced by the failure of the profit system. On the
contrary, they are criminals who are undermining the viability of
American capitalism by their refusal to be educated to the level
required to become productive (i.e., to generate profits for the
capitalist class). And they will pay for their "crime" by being
drafted into the military to serve as cannon fodder in the imperialist
wars which Obama, like Bush, will continue and escalate.

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