Re: Attn:Smitty-Sarah Palin Waged Alienation Campaign Against Sister's Ex-Husband, Court Records Show

In article <dnrkc4hc74s96vn7i4rllcuuc9l92hjc5f@xxxxxxx>,
Jill <perspicacious@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Thu, 11 Sep 2008 23:19:58 -0400, PolishKnight <marek1@xxxxxxx>
wrote:

In article <m8hjc4l0q5bml8r5eklnfrjptg74qvde6k@xxxxxxx>,
Jill <perspicacious@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> cites:

[...]

Read the article and weep. Yeah, sure, Palin's gonna come to the aid
of men everywhere and save all of their sorry asses as you keep
fantasizing. Sure she will. When pigs (with lipstick) fly.

http://fathersandfamiliesblog.org/?p=819

In summary, we still do not know whether Governor Palin knowingly made
false accusations against Trooper Wooten. But it is clear that she and
her family persistently attacked the Trooper?s reputation over a
period of at least three years, during which the Alaska State
Troopers, the Alaska Public Safety Employee?s Association, and the
Court had all found that most of the accusations were unsupported.
[...]

Hello Jill!

Here's the thing, even this non-partisan group says, and I quote, "do
not know whether Governor Palin knowingly made false accusations" yet
the court found that most of the accusations were unsupported? That's a
rather strange paragraph.

Here's the thing: You're completely missing "the thing" that actually
was said (versus your reading meanings not stated into it).

Hmmm, I've been away for so long that I forgot what disagreeing with you
here is like. You take an impersonal, debate point I made and respond
with a personal attack.

With friends like this, who needs enemies?

The non-partisan group doesn't know if Palin KNEW she was making false
accusations. However, they KNEW she DID make false accusations. IOW,
their only "question" is did she know she was doing it or not?

The non-partisan group was giving the girl an easy out (as most people
are doing...) No man running for national office would be given such
an easy and silly "out." This was nothing more than another random
act of chivalry.

And you can prove this how? Especially when the group takes great pains
to be impartial and is committed to father's rights. Of course, if _I_
jumped to a similar conclusion you'd demand I prove it to YOUR
satisfaction. That's ok, really, but don't get your knickers twisted if
I don't jump in line quickly either....

In addition, the URL in the article (as well as has been reported
elsewhere) shows: "The complaints against Wooten also prompted an
internal investigation by state troopers and led to a suspension for
illegally shooting a moose and using a Taser on his stepson."

Sigh. I shouldn't have to explain this to intelligent people such as
you or to anyone who understands the basics of law in this country.

Awww [gushes]. Jill, you're using self-deprecating (or at least
complimentary) remarks to soften a personal blow. You've gotten soft!
Next thing I know, you'll be serving us all tea and crumpets!

The investigations are all currently being done on PALIN, not Wooten.
He was investiagted and disciplined YEARS ago on this stuff. HIS case
is now legally CLOSED.

I agree with much of the citation you provide below about the case, but
clearly if this evidence is relevent to a claim against Palin then it
matters whether the case is closed or not. Otherwise, you're cherry
picking.

Palin is being investigated for Abuse of Power. It has nothing really
to do with Wooten other than he was the target of her crazed obsession
for three years or longer. She was so obsessed with bringing him down
that she risked her position as governor and now VP. Of course, as a
woman, she probably thought she'd get a free pass on harassing a man
and a father. BUT, do you really want that sort of person to be
president of this nation?

I already answered that question but I'll elaborate: The political
position that Palin's in helps to raise awareness of the this common
situation (legal harassment of men during divorce) in addition to
undermining the credibility of the feminists and democrats such as Biden
who had no problems with such conduct until recently.

I'm reminded of the situation with Bill Clinton and sexual harassment
where his presence in the oval office and feminists tolerating such
behavior helped to undermine the credibility of claims that men's
boorish behavior in the workplace was the worst thing in the world.

Sarah Palin will now have to walk on eggs for her career and avoid
bashing men in this manner at a national level, as a class, along with
other chivalrous republicans. So in answer to your question, I say
sure. I'm really ok with it. I happen to view it as a positive thing
overall in a flawed world.

[Documentation relative to the taser incident is at the end of this
post. I can supply documentation about the cow moose cowshit the
Palins tried to pin on him as well if you like.]

Of course, Jill, I keep an open mind and may think that there may be
reasons for him using a taser in extreme situations even against his own
stepson.

Note that I was being reasonable here and open minded with you. Oh who
am I kidding! Of course you won't note it!

You can read those documents and THEN better judge whether or not
Palin abused her power. I'm fairly confident you will join Smitty in
defending her. I think his main reason for doing so is that she isn't
Obama. I think yours will likely boil down to the same thing but
nobody can say I didn't try to get some of the Palinbots out there to
open their eyes and at least vote for the ticket KNOWING what they
were getting.

I've been away for a while so you're lack of understanding of what I
will do is reasonable. You ought to know me better after years of
debate that I'm not going to "defend" her but rather look at things in a
pragmatic manner including changing public opinion. It doesn't matter
that she's not perfect in some of the matters you go into but rather the
public perceives she is and buys into it and changes their thinking as a
result. Politics is like a form of advertising.

Simply jumping up and down and "cursing the darkness" as GA would say
(Hi GA!) is all well and good, but not very productive for people
seeking a solution or way out of the mess. Solutions out of messes are
often messy themselves and that's the world men live in, Jill. Hell,
you know it too. That said, we can try to debate here as respectful
adults.

[story from cite about taser incident]
First, the incident happened when the boy asked to see what it felt
like, and prove to his friends that he wasn?t a ?Mama?s Boy?. Wooten
agreed to do it. According to Cyr, Wooten was a taser instructor, and
used a training cartridge on the lightest setting and used alligator
clips on the boys shirt, rather than the usual skin contacts. The
burst was less than one second. Wooten?s wife was in the room at the
time, and the entire family knew of the incident. It became an issue
ONLY when divorce papers were filed. Wooten acknowledged bad judgment
and was disciplined.

I agree that this clears Wooten. (<--- Look, me acknowledging a point
again! I'm on a roll!)

PS: George Bernard Shaw said the pig/lipstick/fly quote. Consider
yourself corrected.

Post a web site link that indicates GBS said pigs "with lipstick" fly
and I might agree with you but we both know you can't do that.

Er, to quote John Larkin saying to me back then:

<2ih1631u6c58m1h7vfklqvfen4hbh1fa14@xxxxxxx>
"Find your own damned references. I'm not your librarian, and I don't
care what you elect to know or not know. If I did bother to provide a
link, you'd no doubt contest it. "

Interestingly, that's precisely what you did to me. I provided URL's
and you not only contested it (which is fine) but even then, and now,
disingenuously claimed I didn't provide any URL. tsk tsk tsk, Jill. In
addition, you and Andre pulled out this special burden of proof that
made me as the originator of a quote having all the burden while anyone
could just pull any claim out of their butt. Now you're on the other
end and you can't even handle it as a JOKE. Sheesh!

Hint: Words have meaining. ~Rush Limbaugh

Consider yourself corrected.

http://www.wordmaker.ca/quotes.html
Words have meaning and names have power. ~Author Unknown

I was joking above, of course, but Rush wasn't the first person to say
this and such quotes and proverbs have floated around for centuries.
Nobody knows who said "a bird in the hand..." either.

Jill, chill out.

regards,
PolishKnight
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