Re: Globaloney elsewhere


"Andre Lieven" <andrelieven@xxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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On Feb 12, 2:25 pm, "Grizzlie Antagonist" <lloydsofhanf...@xxxxxxxxx>
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"Jill" <perspicaci...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message

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On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 09:52:47 -0800 (PST), Andre Lieven
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On Feb 12, 10:26 am, Jill <perspicaci...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 09:12:48 GMT, "Grizzlie Antagonist"

<lloydsofhanf...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Al Gore and every global warming freak in the world needs to be sent
to
these places with a bathing suit, a bottle of sun tan lotion, and a
beach towel.

Have "fun in the sun", turkeys!

Yeah, I'm here in Wisconsin laying out in the sun and working on my
tan every afternoon. Hahaha.

Reality: My bathtub drain pipe has been frozen solid for a week
making it impossible to drain the tub of about 6 inches of water.
The
snow is piled up well over 2 feet high and its snowing again as I
type
this but Algore promises we will burn up "soon."

What is scary is a notice in my church bulletin from last Sunday.
The
parish is holding two "special" showings of Algore's idiot movie
"free" next week. I expected a little more common sense from the
Catholic Church (my mistake it seems). Besides seeing that tripe
free
is still too expensive.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20080211/D8UNSGJG0.html

Feb 10, 10:57 PM (ET)

By The Associated Press

HAZLETON, Pa. (AP) - Windy, bitterly cold weather spread from the
northern
Plains to the northeast on Sunday, with blinding snow canceling
church
services in parts of Michigan and causing a 68-vehicle pileup in
Pennsylvania.

A woman died in the Pennsylvania pileup when her car became wedged
underneath a tractor-trailer, said Lt. Jason Zoshak of Hazleton
Township
Fire and Rescue. About 35 people were injured, and at least 24
people
whose cars were not drivable were taken to shelters, he said.

Firefighters used ropes to rescue people who had scrambled out of
their
cars
and jumped down an embankment to avoid being hit. "They had a heavy
snow squall going through the area, zero visibility, high winds,"
Zoshak
said. "There were vehicles everywhere."

Also in Pennsylvania, a 60-foot tree toppled by high winds fell onto
a
sport utility vehicle traveling along a Berks County road, killing a
48-year-old
man and critically injuring his 49-year-old wife, state police said.

The bitter cold snap and strong winds also created icy driving
conditions
that shut down interstates and highways in Wisconsin. Wind chills
sent
the temperature plunging to at least 35 degrees below zero on
Sunday.

The Wisconsin State Highway Patrol closed a seven-mile stretch of
Interstate
39/90 just south of Madison for about an hour and a half because of
icy
driving conditions. Strong winds blew snow around to create
near-whiteouts and snow drifts.

It was the same area - but in the opposite direction - where
thousands
of motorists were stranded for as long as 12 hours in a snowstorm
last
week.

In Michigan, the body of a missing 87-year-old man with Alzheimer's
disease was found Sunday morning about five blocks from his Leland
home.
The man died of exposure to the cold, the Leelanau County sheriff's
departmentsaid.

Michigan State Police said the Mackinac Bridge, a five-mile span
that
link Michigan's two peninsulas, was closed for several hours due to
high
winds and whiteout conditions. Authorities reopened it Sunday
evening,
letting vehicles cross at slow speed under police escort.

Churches across western Michigan canceled services, The Grand Rapids
Press reported. "The road conditions are just terrible. There's been
slide-offs all over and the roads are very icy," said William
Marino, a weather
service meteorologist in Grand Rapids.

Sunday's Lansing Polar Plunge charity benefit, in which people were
to
jump into the cold water at Hawk Island County Park, was reset to
Feb.
24, the Lansing State Journal reported. Sunday's midday temperature
was
only zero, but the wind chill was 23 below zero, the weather service
said.

Terry Gerhartz, of Chilton, Wis., said he made sure not to have any
exposed skin when he went to his fish shanty on Lake Winnebago. "If
you
got stuck out there, you'd get cold in a hurry," Gerhartz, 48, said
as he
warmed up at a restaurant in Hilbert.

In Madison, Wis., the temperature was minus-4 with a wind chill of
minus-25, while Green Bay's temperatures got down to minus-6, with a
wind chill of minus-32.

Sunday's noon reading at Devils Lake, N.D., was 20 below, with a
wind
chill of minus 38, the weather service said. On Saturday, the town
warmed to a high of 13 below - with a wind chill of minus-42.

International Falls, Minn., the Canadian border city that's won the
trademark of "Icebox of the Nation," was only 15 degrees below zero
by
noon Sunday, but the wind chill was a painful 40 below.

The point here is that anecdotes about local weather prove nothing,
either way, about Global Warming. ( Just as " well, I don't know any
women
who beat up their husbands ", also fails to prove anything about the
prevalence of domestic violence in both directions. ) Rather, GW is
likely a
cause of local weather patterns getting wilder, in both temperature
directions,
and one result is shorter but harsher winters in areas such as Canada.

The wikipedia article is a fair summary.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming

This site offers some information on GW harbingers, and shows the
effects and changes on each continent.

http://www.climatehotmap.org/namerica.html

Andre, I'm old enough to recall back in 1974 when the alarmists were
screeching that the weather was getting colder and by the turn of the
century (2000) we'd all be under ice. That was at the time of the
first Oil Embargo which was no coincidence. All of this weather
"science" is politically motivated junk science IMO and I refuse to
take any of it seriously. YMMV.

I remember that too. The coming Ice Age. That was what was being
preached
when I was a youngster in grade school.

Um, no. Once again, I will point out that the actual history of this
topic shows
that the issue was in great flux, and that no serious scientific
predictions were
possible at that time without a LOT more data, including more timeline
data.

You may be remembering pop media HYPE, but thats NOT science.

So this "climate change" *** makes no impression on me. None. How
could
it?

Well, skulls filled with granite would be impervious to the growth of
scientific data...

And now there are rumblings that recent sunspot activity -- which is
beyond
the control of human influence -- is going to bring back another era of
"global cooling".

Got any cites ? Uh huh.

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2004-06/uoc--1cs060104.php

17th century solar oddity believed linked to global cooling is rare
among nearby
stars
Hundreds of Maunder minimum stars are not, say UC Berkeley astronomers

The article is actually about how useful and accurate are the
observations from
300-400 years ago, in that they are likely not useful, and the notion
that
coincidence and causation are not synonyms.

Now:
http://ff.org/centers/csspp/library/co2weekly/20060920/20060920_13.html

New Scientist magazine, 16 September 2006
HYPERLINK "http://www.newscientist.com/unpwlogin.ns";

Points out that UV radiation may be more a driver of such things than
overall
heat radiation from the Sun. It points out:
-------------------------
The coming years could settle the sun's role on temperatures once and
for all.
If the expected sunspot crash does takes place, Solanki's work could
receive
dramatic confirmation. "Having a crash would certainly allow us to pin
down
the sun's true level of influence on the Earth's climate," says Weiss.
--------------------------

IOW, *we don't know*. We're trying to find out. Anyone making
predictions
out of such tentative information might as well be in Vegas.

But, on GW, that scientific point has been reached. The mounds of data
support it. If you wish to deny it, then YOU carry the burden of
providing
a scientific opposition, with *evidence* supporting your claim.

No evidence offered ? Claim always fails.

HTH.

Andre


I don't need to respond to it or to address that old canard about "offering
proof".

There are "mounds" of scientists who say that global warming is bull*** and
who are talking about sunspots and "global cooling".

If you were seriously researching this topic, you would have run into them.
You wouldn't have been able to help it.

And someday, maybe you'll be able to explain what you think the difference
is between "media hype" and "scientific consensus". That is, when you've
got it straight in your own mind.


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