Re: Globaloney elsewhere

On Feb 12, 1:30 pm, Jill <perspicaci...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 09:52:47 -0800 (PST), Andre Lieven

<andrelie...@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Feb 12, 10:26 am, Jill <perspicaci...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 09:12:48 GMT, "Grizzlie Antagonist"

<lloydsofhanf...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Al Gore and every global warming freak in the world needs to be sent to
these places with a bathing suit, a bottle of sun tan lotion, and a
beach towel.

Have "fun in the sun", turkeys!

Yeah, I'm here in Wisconsin laying out in the sun and working on my
tan every afternoon. Hahaha.

Reality: My bathtub drain pipe has been frozen solid for a week
making it impossible to drain the tub of about 6 inches of water. The
snow is piled up well over 2 feet high and its snowing again as I type
this but Algore promises we will burn up "soon."

What is scary is a notice in my church bulletin from last Sunday. The
parish is holding two "special" showings of Algore's idiot movie
"free" next week. I expected a little more common sense from the
Catholic Church (my mistake it seems). Besides seeing that tripe free
is still too expensive.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20080211/D8UNSGJG0.html

Feb 10, 10:57 PM (ET)

By The Associated Press

HAZLETON, Pa. (AP) - Windy, bitterly cold weather spread from the northern
Plains to the northeast on Sunday, with blinding snow canceling church
services in parts of Michigan and causing a 68-vehicle pileup in
Pennsylvania.

A woman died in the Pennsylvania pileup when her car became wedged
underneath a tractor-trailer, said Lt. Jason Zoshak of Hazleton Township
Fire and Rescue. About 35 people were injured, and at least 24 people whose
cars were not drivable were taken to shelters, he said.

Firefighters used ropes to rescue people who had scrambled out of their cars
and jumped down an embankment to avoid being hit. "They had a heavy snow
squall going through the area, zero visibility, high winds," Zoshak said.
"There were vehicles everywhere."

Also in Pennsylvania, a 60-foot tree toppled by high winds fell onto a sport
utility vehicle traveling along a Berks County road, killing a 48-year-old
man and critically injuring his 49-year-old wife, state police said.

The bitter cold snap and strong winds also created icy driving conditions
that shut down interstates and highways in Wisconsin. Wind chills sent the
temperature plunging to at least 35 degrees below zero on Sunday.

The Wisconsin State Highway Patrol closed a seven-mile stretch of Interstate
39/90 just south of Madison for about an hour and a half because of icy
driving conditions. Strong winds blew snow around to create near-whiteouts
and snow drifts.

It was the same area - but in the opposite direction - where thousands of
motorists were stranded for as long as 12 hours in a snowstorm last week.

In Michigan, the body of a missing 87-year-old man with Alzheimer's disease
was found Sunday morning about five blocks from his Leland home. The man
died of exposure to the cold, the Leelanau County sheriff's department said.

Michigan State Police said the Mackinac Bridge, a five-mile span that links
Michigan's two peninsulas, was closed for several hours due to high winds
and whiteout conditions. Authorities reopened it Sunday evening, letting
vehicles cross at slow speed under police escort.

Churches across western Michigan canceled services, The Grand Rapids Press
reported. "The road conditions are just terrible. There's been slide-offs
all over and the roads are very icy," said William Marino, a weather service
meteorologist in Grand Rapids.

Sunday's Lansing Polar Plunge charity benefit, in which people were to jump
into the cold water at Hawk Island County Park, was reset to Feb. 24, the
Lansing State Journal reported. Sunday's midday temperature was only zero,
but the wind chill was 23 below zero, the weather service said.

Terry Gerhartz, of Chilton, Wis., said he made sure not to have any exposed
skin when he went to his fish shanty on Lake Winnebago. "If you got stuck
out there, you'd get cold in a hurry," Gerhartz, 48, said as he warmed up at
a restaurant in Hilbert.

In Madison, Wis., the temperature was minus-4 with a wind chill of minus-25,
while Green Bay's temperatures got down to minus-6, with a wind chill of
minus-32.

Sunday's noon reading at Devils Lake, N.D., was 20 below, with a wind chill
of minus 38, the weather service said. On Saturday, the town warmed to a
high of 13 below - with a wind chill of minus-42.

International Falls, Minn., the Canadian border city that's won the
trademark of "Icebox of the Nation," was only 15 degrees below zero by
noon Sunday, but the wind chill was a painful 40 below.

The point here is that anecdotes about local weather prove nothing,
either way, about Global Warming. ( Just as " well, I don't know any women
who beat up their husbands ", also fails to prove anything about the
prevalence of domestic violence in both directions. ) Rather, GW is likely a
cause of local weather patterns getting wilder, in both temperature directions,
and one result is shorter but harsher winters in areas such as Canada.

The wikipedia article is a fair summary.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming

This site offers some information on GW harbingers, and shows the
effects and changes on each continent.

http://www.climatehotmap.org/namerica.html

Andre, I'm old enough to recall back in 1974 when the alarmists were
screeching that the weather was getting colder and by the turn of the
century (2000) we'd all be under ice.

The problem with this erroneous comparison is that, *at best*, the
global cooling of the 70s was a *hypothesis*, while the present theory
is, well, a proper scientific theory.

While I understand that you don't much like Wikipedia, and I have a
few isues with some of it's entries, as well, it still often does give
good
summaries.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_cooling

This hypothesis never had significant scientific support, but gained
temporary popular attention due to press reports following a better
understanding of ice age cycles and a slight downward trend of
temperatures from the 1940s to the early 1970s.

" ... never had significant scientific support... "

Also, summarised in that same entry, we find:

The 1975 NAS report titled "Understanding Climate Change: A Program
for Action" did not make predictions, stating in fact that "we do not
have
a good quantitative understanding of our climate machine and what
determines its course. Without the fundamental understanding, it does
not seem possible to predict climate." Its "program for action"
consisted
simply of a call for further research, because "it is only through the
use
of adequately calibrated numerical models that we can hope to acquire
the information necessary for a quantitative assessment of the
climatic
impacts."

So, to claim or suggest that the 70s concept of global cooling was in
any
way similar to the present scientific standing for global warming is
ignorant, at best, and willfully ignorant, at worst.

That was at the time of the
first Oil Embargo which was no coincidence.

Actually, it was, as the Wiki article shows in the section about
it's pre 70s period, and early 70s awareness. So, you are quite
wrong here, as well.

All of this weather
"science" is politically motivated junk science IMO and I refuse to
take any of it seriously.

Then, you oppose basic science, where it comes to pressing issues
of public policy. That means that your voice on such issues is simply
not to be taken seriously, as you yourself, refuse to take the present
information seriously.

YMMV.

My " mileage " works o one principle, always: What are the facts,
and how do we know this ? All else is nonsense.

To suggest that we know no more now about this topic, than was known
30-40 years ago, is also lunacy.

Andre
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