Re: Religion and sin, and anti-religion and saints...



On Dec 14, 10:20 am, Mark Borgerson <mborger...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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mar...@xxxxxxx says...

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Mark Borgerson <mborger...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

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Mark Borgerson <mborger...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

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Soci...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx says...

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"Mark Borgerson" <mborger...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote
On one hand I see some in soc.men advocating a marriage
strike by men. On the other hand, I find Society advising
parents to have their daughters go out and find a nice man
and get married with the assumption they will produce
children.

Poor Borgerson, he's wrong again about what he "find(s)".

Not a lot of information there. Do you, or do you not,
believe women should go out and find a good man and
get married?

Absolutely. I can advise two people on different sides of an issue
different things: It behooves women to get married and it behooves men
to not get married or even hold off on getting married.

This is normal. Two sides of an issue require different viewpoints by
definition, yes?

It also helps to be able to see both sides of the issue. Many people
can see only one side---thus my comment on black/white world views
below.

Yet... you clearly couldn't since your "head spun" at the very OBVIOUS
notion that two people who are differently situated should use different
tactics.

I think spinning heads are your thing, not mine.

You had written earlier in the thread but the last sentence got edited
out unintentionally by Jill (emphasis added):

"On one hand I see some in soc.men advocating a marriage
strike by men. On the other hand, I find Society advising
parents to have their daughters go out and find a nice
man and get married with the assumption they will produce
children. ***It makes my head spin ;-)*** "

Apparently, a prius's emissions cause memory loss. :-)

I'm not surprised
that differently situated people should should use different tactics.
Why would you think I was surprised when I mentioned the different
tactics in the first place?

Your stated confusion and "head spinning" about different tactics for
men and women.

I do find the advocacy of marriage
by one person or group, nad the advocacy of abstention from
marriage by another group to be somewhat contradictory. Your
explanation that marriage for men is OK once they are more mature
and financially stable does make sense. But I've agreed with
that viewpoint all along. It's one of the reasons I didn't
get married until I was 40.

But let's go even with the full outright marriage strike and advising
young men to NOT marry even as young women are advised to marry as
soon as possible. Since marriage is a good deal for women, it would
make sense to advise them differently than men for whom it's not a
good deal irregardless of the age at which men marry.

It makes my head spin ;-)

Does your feminised head spin because others
hold differing opinions?

Then try new improved Loctite(R).

http://www.loctite.us/inthenkel/loctite us/index.cfm

Helping retarded liberals keep their sensitive heads
screwed on since 1953.

Ha! If only helping "retarded liberals" was so simple.

Helping any group with a black/white world view is
never simple.

You don't realize, Mark, that statement is so delightfully
self-descriptive similar to saying there are two types of people in the
world: Those who are open-minded, tolerant and agree with you, and
stupid closed minded bigots. :-)

And what does your statement say about the difficulty of helping
those people?

Your main challenge appears to be that you think that people agreeing
with your viewpoints is the "help" they need. That's similar to a
televangelist saying he wants to "help" people by them sending him
money. :-)

I don't want to "help" you Mark. I enjoy tearing your selfish, smug,
jerry-rigged hypocritical beliefs from the seams. That gives me quite
an advantage since I don't have all this non-religious religious dogma
like you do holding me back.

I think that the term is "jury-rigged". It's actually a pretty well
crafted metaphor, since "jury-rigged" refers to an improvised repairs
to a sailing ship that may have suffered sails ripped at the seams.

I'm glad you think you have such an advantage. I hope you can put
it to productive use.

HTH. ;-)

It would have behooved you to first know what "jerry rigged" means
before pontificating about the merits of using a different term.

http://www.answerbag.com/q_view/9245
jerry-built
1869, Eng. dial. jerry "bad, defective," a pejorative use of the male
nickname Jerry (a popular form of Jeremy), or from naut. slang jury
"temporary," which came to be used of all sorts of makeshift and
inferior objects (see jury (adj.)).
Jury rig, while similar sounding, has a slightly different meaning,
emphasizing the temporary nature of the solution and can imply an
ingenious solution done with materials at hand. Jerry-built, on the
other hand, is often used for a permanent, but poorly built,
construction and has no positive connotation.

Leftism is a religion of SUBLIME hypocrisy in that it claims to not be a
religion and believes in nothing by hypocrisy where "sin" in other
religions are breaking their own rules while the "saints" in leftism get
nobel prizes for preaching "science" about the sky falling down while
flying around in a big gas guzzling 747...

Oh, you drive a prius that uses just SLIGHTLY less gas than an ordinary
gas guzzler. I guess that's like religious fundamentalist preachers who
preach against sex but see hookers in the background just using 20% less
hookers than a different preacher. :-)

I don't actually drive the Prius very often. My wife uses it to
commute to her job.

So hypocrites who are hypocrites not very often aren't hypocrites?

The more we compare the marxist/leftist non-religion to religion, the
more it seems like one than the real thing (just without all the actual
merits.)

"SLIGHTLY less gas than an ordinary gas guzzler" is a matter for
discussion.
The Prius gets about twice the gas mileage of
your ordinary gas guzzler (about 45MPG vs 22MPG).

Who said ordinary gas guzzler gets only 22MPG?

The EPA.

http://www.gas-mileage-tips.com/17/us-gas-mileage-is-getting-worse/

Actually, the average mileage is down to 21MPG and change. Since you
used the term 'gas guzzler' I assumed you were referring to cars
with worse than average mileage.

I used the term "ordinary gas guzzler." For someone who pontificated
about the differences between "jerry" and "jury" rigging, you ought to
look up the difference between "ordinary" and "worse".

In addition, the URL you provided includes ALL "light duty vehicles"
including your car in that equation therefore your car is a gas
guzzler too by your definition and worse than average mileage. :-) I
had used the term "gas guzzler" in comparison to your own car that's
more efficient.

My car is VERY ordinary (well, not too ordinary :-) It's a Hyundai
Elantra 4dr hatchback and I watch my mileage carefully and I get an
average of 26 mpg with both CITY and HIGHWAY driving.

I love making condescending lectures so I'll give you this one: Highway
driving and city driving has an effect on gas milage. You maybe didn't
know this. Also, 2+2=4. I want to "help" you by educating you, Mark.
:-) See, you're comparing the CITY milage of a "normal" car to the MAX
MPG of a Prius.

No, I'm comparing the city mileage of normal cars to the city mileage
we get on the Prius. Highway mileage on our Prius is over 50MPG.

Let's review. You said:

The Prius gets about twice the gas mileage of
your ordinary gas guzzler (about 45MPG vs 22MPG).

Which says NOTHING about city mileage. So I'm going to go with simple
operational average which according to my odometer is about 26MPG
(I've gotten 31 at all highway speeds).

Here's it laid out:

-----------------------------------------------------------MarkB's
Guzzler--------MarkS's Guzzler
Operational/Overall:
45MPG 26MPG
City:
45MPG 25MPG
Highway: 50MPG
Maybe53 31MPG

You clearly tried to cherry pick a more advantageous figure and weasle
your way out of this but tell you what, I'll just simply say that 2x25
which is 50 is about 45 or so within 10 percent. I would have even
said so in the beginning if you weren't such a jerk.

http://www.wired.com/cars/energy/news/2004/05/63413
Hybrid Mileage Comes Up Short
But after a few months of commuting to his job in Cincinnati,
Blackshaw's hybrid euphoria vanished as his car's odometer revealed that
the gas mileage he was hoping for was only a pipe dream. Honda's Civic
Hybrid is rated by the EPA to get 47 miles per gallon in the city, and
48 mpg on the highway. After nearly 1,000 miles of mostly city driving,
Blackshaw was getting 31.4 mpg."

And of course, you forgot to mention the nasty environmental effects of
replacing all those batteries every few years, etc. But hey, in a
religion it's about how you FEEL, not what's real right?

1. The batteries are nickel-metal-hydride, and their disposal has
minimal environmental effect compared to NI-Cads or lead-acid
batteries.

And my Hyundai Elentra is a teacup sipper compared to a Hummer
too... :-)

2. You don't replace the batteries "every few years". They are
guaranteed for 7 years. We haven't replaced any batteries at
all in the first 4 years.

Hmmm, this brings up another interesting subject: Waste disposal and
the cost of production.

Replacing a car or it's major components every 7 years even for one
that's more efficient ultimately consumes far more resources than just
running the old one twice as long.

Another advantage
of the Prius is that the hybrid system releases only about 1/4
the non-CO2 pollutants of a normal vehicle.

Most new "normal" vehicles don't release a lot of pollutants either. My
car actually rated pretty low.

Was it low enough to get you a tax credit for buying a low-emissions
vehicle?

I honestly don't know. I am aware of a Federal Hybrid vehicle tax
credit but I don't know if that's the same thing as a "low emissions"
tax credit which I found on google claiming there was sunsetted in
1996 in California. I live in Virginia.

Since I work a home, I use no gas at all to get to work.

Mark Borgerson

Do you use electricity? (Hugging trees doesn't generate power, BTW.)

No, but rainfall does!

Yes, but the tree huggers say that "rainfall" or hydropower harms the
poor widdle fishies trying to swim upstream...
http://www.ornl.gov/info/ornlreview/rev26-34/text/hydmain.html

I use about 40% less electricity today than
I did about 5 years ago, since I've replaced all the CRT monitors
with LCDs.

Did it take electrity to make those LCD's (as well as toxic
chemicals)?

I also cut trees instead of hugging them---and the
cured ash in the barn keeps the woodstove going on the really
cold days.

Mark Borgerson

You CUT trees? I thought trees generated oxygen and consumed C02...

regards,
PolishKnight
.

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