Re: Why I hope Sen. Craig is allowed to withdraw his guilty plea
- From: "Avenger" <avenger@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 03:23:41 GMT
The reason this whole thing is ridiculous and a waste of taxpayer money is
because if there was a problem at the airport with homos annoying other
people the simple solution would be to put a washroom attendant there which
would discourage this conduct. I'm sure a lot of unemployed or even employed
men would like to do the job since they get good tips and get to sell stuff
like cologne , condoms etc.
"Society" <Society@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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<ddnoe@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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So far, Sen. Larry Craig has had no luck in withdrawing
his guilty plea to disorderly conduct because of his
supposedly seeking sex in a Minneapolis Airport
men's restroom. He is appealing and I hope his
appeal will be successful. [...]
I don't know if the senator actually sought sex in that restroom. I
also think it's pretty weird that a lawmaker might plead guilty to
having broken a law if he is in fact innocent. However, I also think
that both things are reasonably possible.
Who was it who wrote "Being accused of something like this
has to be distressing, especially so for a man in a position
like that of United States Senator. " Oh, you did Denise Noe.
Or rather, you will later on in this post. Sen. Craig is obviously
easily rattled, else he'd have asserted his Constitutional
privilege of immunity from arrest as he travels to and from
his home state to sessions of Congress -- leaving this whole
event a non-issue.
I don't understand why the Senator hasn't gone to Federal
court to have the whole matter quashed under Article I,
Section 6 of the United States Constitution:
Yes, I thought of his immunity too. Apparently, he wanted to keep this VERY
private and didn't even tell his wife. It was only when the disorderly
conduct violation slipped out that he wanted to appeal it, due to its
nature.
The Senators and Representatives... shall in all cases,
except treason, felony and breach of the peace,
be privileged from arrest during their attendance
at the session of their respective Houses, and in
going to and returning from the same..."
<http://www.law.cornell.edu.constitution.articlei.html>
Yeah, he pleaded guilty but that plea could be construed
as "fruit of the poisoned tree" that grew from the seed
of Sen. Craig's unconstitutional arrest.
The fact is, handsome Sgt. Dave Karsnia had a very boring
police assignment. After all, it's safe to guess that more than
90% of the men who go in and out of that restroom are there
to eliminate their body wastes. A few may come in to look
in the mirror and primp a little.
Ever heard Steve Ballmer's story of the time he and
Bill Gates hit up travellers in an airport men's restroom
for a necktie because, back in Microsoft's early days,
they had neglected to pack one and were about to meet
with IBM managers?
What happens in the airport restroom should stay in the
airport restroom, no?
<giggle>
But the vast majority use the restroom for its intended
purpose, (hopefully) wash their hands, and then exit.
The cop would be doing the public a better service by
arresting idiots who don't wash their hands after using
the toilet.
Especially for a guy like Craig who was just having dirty homo sex and
might shake hands with a constituent lol
See:
<http://instapundit.com/archives2.010965.php>
...and follow the NYT link provided.
It has to be terribly tedious to spend much time in such
a place waiting for men to make signals that indicate
sexual interest.
Undoubtedly. By the way, could the Minneapolis P.D.
share with all of us straight guys the secret coded signals
they homosexuals are using? We straights would rather
not end up in jail because we picked up a stray fragment
of paper, had a restless foot, or something.
Also, this enforcement program by the Minneapolis P.D.
would seem to require that they police their jails a whole
lot better. Seems odd to arrest a man on charges of soliciting
a homosexual act then throw him into a place that police
officers make cracks about the chance of a homosexual
encounter in the jails being so high. Hmmm.
Therefore, it could be that such an undercover officer
would be anxious to see such signals and misinterpret
a foot innocently tapping and a hand falling hither and yon.
Hmmm. In my checkered past I was a store security guard
and as boring as that job was, I never arrested anyone
for shoplifting in order to end my boredom. Perhaps I had
help resisting temptation; had I made a bad arrest I would
be criminally charged with false arrest, false imprisonment
and possibly even kidnapping. I also risked being personally
sued by the suspected shoplifter. Police officers and
prosecutors, in contrast, are agents of a State that enjoys
sovereign immunity.
Not if it's a violation of civil rights and filed in Federal Court. And this
is how cases are usually handled against the cops.
They are almost completely lawsuit
proof and have to make screw-ups so bad that they dominate
the national news for over a year before they risk any
consequences for their escapes from boredom.
Being accused of something like this has to be distressing,
especially so for a man in a position like that of United States
Senator. There are also a multitude of demands on the time
of high government officials. These things might lead one
to make a foolish decision to just send in a guilty plea
and pay a fine as Craig did.
Uh, kind'a like a person who was stopped by a cop for
a traffic violation that maybe didn't really occur, eh?
He also might have taken Sgt. Karsnia's saying, "I don't
call media" to mean that the media would not get hold
of the story - which they obviously have and wrung for
all it is worth.
Oh yeah, right, "the media would not get hold of the story"!
The cop probably sold it to them haha
Ha ha ha. Ask Senator Ryan (R-Illinois). Oh yeah, he isn't
a U.S. Senator -- his _sealed_ divorce case was unsealed
by a press eager to see Democrat Barack Hussein Obama
elected.
I never thought much of Sen. Craig's brain power and if he
really thought "the media would not get hold of the story"
of an arrest and plea that becomes _part of the public record_,
he's dumber than I ever gave him credit for. (And I gave
him credit for _a lot_ of dumb before this incident!)
As I said at the beginning, I don't know what the truth is.
Having this whole thing aired out in open court would be
a good because it would give the truth a fair chance
to come out.
I don't know what the truth is either but this is something
that should never have gotten this far and certainly NOT
be "aired out in open court." If the immunities of Senators
are not respected, then why should anyone else's be
respected? I suggest the paranoids who fear the PATRIOT
Act and quake at thoughts of Bush and Cheney "shredding
the Constitution" had better start standing with Sen. Craig
and against the Minneapolis P.D. and prosecutor's office.
Erm, this is a minor violation. Understand?
--
More: What would you do? Cut a great road through the law
to get after the Devil?
Roper: I'd cut down every law in England to do that!
More: Oh? And when the last law was laid down,
and the Devil turned on you, where would you hide,
Roper, all the laws being flat? ... Do you really think
you could stand upright in the winds that would
blow then?
Robert Bolt, _A Man For All Seasons_
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