Re: OT: Canada Posts Whopping 13.8 Billion Surplus

On Sep 29, 4:08 pm, Jill <aske...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Good job again, Ben.

Thanks for showing why the term " Ugly American "is...
quite accurate.

I'm just reposting this so Andre can read your
excellent arguments since he says you're in his killfile.

And, after I refute them with FACTS, back to fucking Parg he goes.

On Sat, 29 Sep 2007 06:52:48 -0700, Biyatch <ArGe...@never-any-proof>
screeched:
On Sep 28, 11:18 pm, Andre Lieven <andrelie...@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Sep 28, 10:52 pm, Jill <aske...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 18:41:02 -0700, Ben <ArGe...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Sep 27, 9:47 pm, Andre Lieven <andrelie...@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Sep 27, 9:52 pm, Jill <aske...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Andre, are you by any chance having a Canada vs. USA fight without
me?

No, I'm just pointing out that doing it The American Way is not
fore-destined to be The Best Way for All.

Given how Canada is often MS-characterized as being " socialist ",
I was able to show that, in matters of economic success and
efficiency, our way can work as well, or even better, than the way
down south of here.

Canada enjoys such a strong economy *because* it's a neighbor of the
US, and profits from a robust trade, especially in energy exports.
Overall, just over 80% of Canada's exports are to the US. In
addition, the US is the largest foreign investor in Canada. So "the
Canadian Way" is really just good old-fashioned trade and investment.
Also, since Canada has nowhere near the geopolitical involvements and
responsibilities that the US has, there's nothing in that area to act
as an economic drag.

Given that theres one road connecting East to West here, this is a
spectacularly *ignorant and stupid* cow*** claim...

Non-responsive. This is a completely accurate claim, and one that was
pulled from your own statcan source.

No proof ever offered ? Parg Licking Cow*** claim fails.

Unfortunately, the news about "the Canadian Way" with regards to
health care isn't anywhere near as good as the economic news.

Well, obviously I'm on your side in this one, Ben. Thank you for
making the points in favor of the US so much better than I ever did or
could.

Thanks for the support, and you're welcome, Jill.

Aside from them being... wrong.

So statcan is wrong? Okay, if you insist. Of course, this means you
can't use it as a source, either.

No proof offered ? Cow*** claim fails.

Yeah, we trade a lot with you, so
do you with us. On a proportional measure, of course, less of US
imports are from Canada, than the other way around, 'cause theres
nine of you to one of us. But, you need our energy. Oil, gas, and
hydro. Waddya gonna sell us ? A TV ?

Check the automotive and argicultural markets sometime. You might
even want to look at tourism. We can't count trade in health care,
because Canadians cross the border to get it here.

And, Ontarioans now have photo Medicare cards because so many
USians were borrowing their friend's cards to get care up here.

The US MYTHS about Canadian Medicare are indeed logion; Reposting
more such MYTHS is a... Feminists's game of lies.

Its so amusing to see USians who have no knowledge of Canada,
pontificating about matters Canadian, trying to tell folks who LIVE
HERE, how little we know about LIVING HERE....

Nice straw Canadian, but I'm just telling you that Canada isn't
paradise on earth, and what success you do enjoy is *because* of your
proximity to the US. With regards to my knowledge of Canada, I've
told you in the past that my paternal great grandparents are from
Quebec, and I visit the St. Laurien area quite often. So no, Canada
is not the great unknown to me.

<Laughs> Oh yeah, wheres " St. Laurien " ?

My grandparents are from Russia. That ALONE isn't proof of
knowledge NOW about the place.

<Laughs> No wonder Parg slurper Bennie is in my Bozo Bin.

lol I'm in your kill file because you can't take it anywhere near
the level at which you think you're dishing it out. That, and the
fact that you're a pansy.

<Massive Parg Slurping Projection>

I really get much too emotional when someone rags on the US,
especially when the US does so much for other countries who show
little or no appreciation in return.

And Andre falls squarely into this camp, his insistence to the
opposite notwithstanding. There's a video production made in Great
Britain (presumably, one that Andre didn't fact-check when he was 12),
that demonstrates what the world would be like without the existence
of the US, and it painted a bleak picture. If I can find it, I'll
provide the link to you.

Straw Whore. Who suggested making the US disappear ? Hey, if Canada
vanishes, the US loses a LOT of it's oil, natural gas, and
electricity...

" Let those Eastern bastards freeze in the dark. " Alberta originated
bumper sticker vis a vis National Energy Program of 1980.

Hey, I like the US, and USians, well enough: Hell, I *married one*.

"Golly, I like blacks! I even have one for a friend!"

Ah, now the whoring race card. Go to Jena with Al "Tawana Brawley"
Sharpton...

I just don't cotton much to the idea that The American way is the
One Way. Especially, well, when The Canadian Way does very well
for us...

Your "Canadian Way" is simple capitalism when it comes to trade. Your
health care system is dysfunctional to the point where your own
government has to strongarm its citizens to try and keep them away
from exercising freedom of choice, your citizens swarm the US for some
forms of health care, or they have to sue to get freedom of choice.

No proof offered for ANY of this ? Parg class cow*** claim fails.

Why is it that Quebec keeps wanting to secede?

Why do midwestern USians plant truck bombs ?

Oh, the Canadian Dollar closed the day at $1.00.52 US. Over the
year, the Canadian dollar has appreciated in value against the US $,
by 17%. The Euro has only gained 7% in that time, and the Pound
and Yen, only 3% each.

Yep, the US is having economic troubles right now. The apparent
difference between us is that we didn't gloat when the Canadian dollar
was worth half the US dollar.

2002-10-01 1.5780

Canadian Dollars to One U.S. Dollar

That was the largest spread between the two dollars. A 2-1 claim would
have been 2.000.

http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/data/EXCAUS.txt

"Math is hard ! " Talking Barbie.

Besides, if you knew anything about
economics, you'd know that you can't maintain growth forever.

So ? That applies to the US, *too* !

With high oil and gold prices, we're riding high.

For now, sure. And good for Canada, because my relatives living there
are benefiting from it as well. Times change, though.

And, no HMOs...

And an inferior health care system.

Other than it covering 100% of the citizenry for less costs than the
US non-system...

www.statscan.ca

Expenditure on health: % of GDP: 2002:
US 14.6%
Canada 9.6%
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Anyone who wanted to LEARN something, and not knee jerkily
Ugly American, could read:
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http://www.diemer.ca/Docs/Diemer-TenHealthCareMyths.htm

Ten Health Care Myths:
Understanding Canada's Medicare Debate By Ulli Diemer

Myth #4: Government-run health care programs are bureaucratic
and inefficient. Introducing private health insurance and
competition would make the system more efficient.

Reality: The evidence from all OECD countries shows that
the private sector is far more bureaucratic and much less
efficient than the public sector when it comes to providing
health care.

The United States, which has the most privatized health
care system of any OECD country, spends 14% of its GNP
on health care, compared to 9% for Canada.

The U.S. pays $911 per person per year in administrative
costs. Canada by contrast pays $270 per person.

The disproportion in insurance overhead costs is even
more marked: insurance overhead per capita comes to
$212 in the U.S., $34 in Canada. Blue Cross/Blue Shield
of Massachusetts, a typical major insurer, employs 6680
people to administer insurance for 2 1/2 million customers,
more than are employed to administer public health
insurance for all 28 million Canadians.

When Germany recently shifted dental services from the
public system to private insurance, administrative costs
tripled from 5% to 15%.

Myth #5: Americans may pay more for health care, but they
get better health care as a result.

Reality: Studies show that on average, Canadians are more
likely to receive needed care quickly than Americans.
Canadians get more physicians visits per capita than
Americans, more immunizations, more hospital admissions,
and more surgical procedures. A survey of 10 OECD countries
showed that Canadians were the most satisfied with the care
they received, while Americans were the least satisfied. In
fact, Canadians are more than five times as likely to be
satisfied with the health care they receive than Americans.

Infant mortality, maternal mortality, and life expectancy
were worse in Canada than in the U.S. before the
introduction of medicare. Canada's infant mortality rate
is now only 70% of that in the U.S., while American
women are almost twice as likely to die during childbirth
as their Canadian counterparts. The average Canadian
now lives two years longer than the average American.
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Yeah, FACTS are really a bummer to LYING MYTH
spreading wabbabes.

Its too bad for THEM that FACTS expose their hatebaggery
lies.

Win, win ! :-)

Head in sand, head in sand.

<Massive Parg Class Proofless Projection>

Andre

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