Re: Women Never Earned The Right To Vote

In article <ldn293tc6ccbpp5fs9idqfao4m6ualqdjs@xxxxxxx>,
John Larkin <jjlarkin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 13:18:50 -0700, PolishKnight <marek1@xxxxxxx>
wrote:

On Jul 8, 3:40 pm, Grizzlie Antagonist <lloydsofhanf...@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
On Jul 8, 12:06 pm, John Larkin



<jjlar...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 11:51:39 -0700, Grizzlie Antagonist

<lloydsofhanf...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
That doesn't mean that they'll necessarily change their lifestyles
and
it certainly doesn't mean that they're willing to tie themselves
down
to the mother (whom they may be restrained against seeing anyway) --
but their paternal affection -- to my surprise -- is definitely
real.

It doesn't surprise me. There's no stronger force in nature than the
desire to have and assure the well-being of one's own offspring. It's
something that most species are willing to die for, and that some
species are guaranteed to die for.

A salmon leaves the ocean, fights her way upriver, lays eggs, and
dies. A male Mantis mates, knowing he'll probably be lunch for the
female, too. There's a spider that lays her eggs and then allows her
hatchlings to eat her alive.

John

Are you sure that there isn't a young child out there that you'd be
willing to commit suicide for?

Suicide isn't appealing. But I'd certainly die to save my wife, or
either of my daughters it that were the only choice.

Don't toy with me. Are you or are you not willing to immolate
yourself?

I think it's clear, GA, (unless I'm mistaken) than John has answered
that he's willing to do so by saying he'd be willing to die for his
wife and children.

That said, of course, women's maternity instincts in our culture could
certainly use some "fine tuning" considering how they're likely to
become unwed mothers, have children into poverty, engage in dangerous
lifestyles when their children are involved, etc.

Back to John: I certainly would put my life on the line for my wife
BUT... I expect recognition and respect for that role. Our culture
treats men as if they're supposed to do this for women as an
entitlement.

Bugger the culture. I would do it for myself.

John

What about the wife and kid you're protecting? Don't they matter?

What I read that, John, I remembered the other times people claimed to
be "doing it for themselves": picking up smoking, going out and getting
drunk and barfing along with their friends, etc. If you're doing
something that _kills you_, and you're doing it "for yourself", you're
either:

A) Suicidal
B) Dishonest/in denial

regards,
PolishKnight
.

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