Re: Hannah and GA's sisters... (Woody Allen reference)

On May 5, 3:20 pm, PolishKnight <mar...@xxxxxxx> wrote:
In article <1178327265.319541.87...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
Grizzlie Antagonist <lloydsofhanf...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On May 4, 5:33 pm, w...@xxxxxxxxx (the wharf rat) wrote:
I don't understand why so many of you seem to hate
women. Sure, men get a raw deal in a lot of things. Sure,
some women treat us like *** and laugh about it. But... don't
you have any sisters? No female friends at all? Never had a lover
that you still remember fondly, and not just because she was
good in bed?

Fifth Amendment to all of those questions.

Hello GA,

To your credit, you're at least honest about your emotions and feelings
rather than trying to hide them being an "equality" agenda as feminists
and sympathizors do.

It would be cute to turn this question around and ask wharf rat: Does he
have women friends and lovers who accepted him as HE was and would be
openminded enough to hear his emotional issues with women in general?



I guess not since he admits to having been divorced.

He must have given that chick everything she wanted. He must have
acknowledged his share of responsibility for the "oppression of
women". That was probably the first thing that she wanted.

I guess that it wasn't enough if she divorced him anyway.


GA is at least honest with himself and with us here on soc.men. That's
a world ahead of many if not most people who can't even admit their
demons exist much less discuss them openly.



Well, EXCUSE ME! My DEMONS?

These are NOT my demons! To borrow a phrase from Lincoln, these are
the better angels of my nature. See exchange below on religious
issues. You disdained to talk about them on the grounds that they
were overly complex and metaphysical.



I'll admit to hating particular women. And to
hating particular men. But I just don't understand hating
ever single female person on earth because divorce court
favors women.

I don't hate every single female person on earth, but I do hate women
as a group.

Divorce court has nothing to do with it.

I hate women as a group because they regard themselves as superior to
men.

So you must hate men as a group because most of them think the same
thing (that women are superior to men.)



I don't respect men much these days either.

But while most men would say that they think that women are superior
to men, I don't think that they mean it.


We've had this discussion before: For good or ill, we live with the
product of a chivalrous society run by _men_. That's all feminism is or
ever well be: Just overindulgent men trying to please women.

Take away that mechanism and women become (more) reasonable.




This is not consistent with your argument in which you compare women
to pets.



I truly believe that most women would prefer a world without men and
would exterminate men outright if they knew how and if they had the
guts to do it and if they didn't know -- way deep down -- that they
couldn't run the world on their own anyway and that they would grow
impatient without the existence of male scapegoats to blame their own
personal inadequacies on.

Pet trainers advise owners that if they treat a dog like a child, and
indulge it's every whim, that the dog ultimately becomes irate and nasty
and will start biting the owner for a random reason.

This isn't always the case but the point is that women are taught by
insecure men to regard such men as resource providers who are
unworthy
of existance by themselves but useful as a source of resources.

Naturally, if you could get paid for work without doing work (such as
winning the lottery), you'd take that option. This is reasonable, don't
you think?



It's not reasonable to regard men as lottery tickets.



And the fact that this is what women think is proven by how men are
regarded in popular culture and how women talk about men among
themselves.

When I've observed such discussions, most women fret endlessly about
OTHER women. Feminists are in a continual clatter about "the mommy
wars" they want to deny existing. Women don't like the idea of social
entitlements benefitting OTHER women.



I disagree. The female sex is an organized conspiracy. There might
be enough evidence to prosecute them under RICO.



If we could all be friends maybe we could
work this all out, somehow, instead of growling at each other
and throwing mud like our hairy tree-living ancestors did.

I don't want to be friends. Did I forget to mention that hating women
is also FUN?

I love hearing this kind of sentimental sap about friendship when it
really means that the other person should give up and roll over. Men
have already been doing that and it hasn't gotten them very far.

Personally, I think the issue isn't "How do we get more
rights for men?" but rather "How do we share the work and the resources
our maker has blesses us with in the way that's best for all of us?"
If we could solve that problem, I think, maybe even connor'd come
around :-)

Some say that socialism is pure evil and some say that it is indirectly
valuable (such as helping poor people starving in the street) but
shouldn't be taken to extremes and needs to be controlled.

I think that's a very useful question but needs to be disentangled from
the issue of relationships between men and women whereby women have
different (and usually greater) NEEDS than men. Huge social goodie
programs sound nice when it's some other group footing most of the bill
(how about the "tax people with USENET names such as wharf rat 99.9% of
their earnings to help starving children" program? :-)

Ironically, this leftist group-pandering nonsense has made this type of
discussion impossible in the present day. It's like trying to talk
about unilateral disarmament after WWII broke out. Bad timing.

Well, you're on the wrong track. Anything that benefits women
automatically harms men. It's a zero-sum game.

I think that's a radical statement. If women "benefit" from having
great sex with men, then men benefit too.



Nonsense. A man doesn't need for a woman to have orgasm to get orgasm
himself.



There are such situations.
"Traditional" families are another: Men and women working together to
raise children and perpetuate society including men and women.




Yes, but women are so busy trying to destroy men on the one hand and,
on the other hand, trying to ape what they can't destroy that they
refuse to acknowledge that this would be in their best interest.




What's good for women
is bad for men. Do men living in the wilds talk about a detente with
predatory animals that are always a threat to harm them or their
livestock?

It becomes a zero sum game when men and women are seperated from > each
other, GA.



Does that mean that you are not in favor of single-sex schools?
Single-sex organizations?



When the government treats people as individuals (in terms
of benefits) while setting up the system by group (men or women but
especially women), that's when there becomes a transfer from one group
to the other.


But when men and women are joined at the hip, and women have to work
with men, that's when most of the time that men and women share each
other's success (and problems) and needs to find a way to deal with it.



Bah! Why is that any less corny than the rat's remark about
"friendship", which you dismissed?



The child-exploitation scam and welfare state is about joining men as a
group to women without women having to give men anything back.
Indirectly though, women have suffered in the long run due to the
welfare state that has produced millions of criminals who prey upon
women.




Right. And the mainstream solution to that is to give more and more
aid to women.



You may be grateful to your maker for the resources that we are
blessed with (though there are areas of the world that are not so
blessed, which makes me ever skeptical about the existence of any such
maker).

To the extent that I perceive the existence of a maker, that maker is
telling me to continue to hate women. He must be because I don't feel
a single pang of conscience about it.

That's a rather complex metaphysical discussion for another time.

Have a good weekend, GA.

regards,
PolishKnight

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