Re: Differences in Aptitude

In article <1146257617.567855.107720@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
"Hyerdahl" <Hyerdahl3@xxxxxxx> wrote:

PolishKnight wrote:
Hyerdahl wrote:
PolishKnight wrote:
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Of course, "secure" women don't really need to wait by
the phone for one of these traditional men, right? :-)

No, in fact, more and more women are now buying their own homes, and
having or adopting their own children.

Yeah, the latter is supposedly a real turn on with these Alpha type
men. :-)

But, Mark, these women who do buy their own houses don't seem to care
what men like you, or other insecure men, think about it.

As I said, that must really turn on alpha male types these women
find attractive. :-)

I think you're confused between the ideas of "alpha males" and 'strong
men'. The two are not the same. Smart women would prefer a strong man
to a baboon any day.

That's strange. Don't you often point out that women choose
to gestate millions of children for men who later abandon them?

I'm not an alpha male by any means. I am rather happy I never tried to buy
into that game either as some other guys did.

Mark, you're not a strong man either. You are too insecure; women
don't like that.

Absolutely. Secure people are continually worried about being
liked by as many people as possible. :-)

A woman with a huge McMansion and ARM and children from other men...

I don't know about the "McMansion" thing; I'm guessing women are more
into small but elegant. :-)

From the articles I've seen on the bubble blogs, the career women
who tend to be the majority buyers in certain properties tend
to focus on condos. They are affordable, well located, safe,
and low maintenance (at least physically). Unfortunately,
the condo market is the first one to bottom out as supply
hits the market and investors back out.

Actually, that all depends on location, location location. Where my
neice is located, buying a condo is not a good investment so she
purchased a lovely mission style home.

You mean she bought it recently? Yikes!

If that's true, what's stopping her from selling it tomorrow for
10 times what she paid for it if she can demand any price she
likes for the location? :-)

Where my friend's daughter is
located, condos are a good deal right now, so she just bought one for a
permanent investment, and lifelong vacation home.

They don't need to "wait" for> > men for anything these days, and let's
not forget, Mark...that> > regarding sex, women don't have to beg, even
women who need to wear bags over their heads. :-)

Men enjoy casual sex more than women which is why there's no problem
finding men willing to engage in it than vice-versa.

Well, there you go, Mark...win-win. :-)

You're comparing apples and oranges. Women and men have such
different access to casual sex precisely because women and men have
different desires.

Not so much these days, Mark.

Women are much more sexually looser, of course. I've heard that
young men don't have to be Tyrone Powers to get laid.
But this contradicts your claim above that women are still
living by victorian mores. Maybe career women in my age group but,
well, who cares about them? :-)

Women don't trust men like they used to;

So it's amazing how you blame men for all of women's woes
even as you gloat over all the legal rights and goodies
women have. Your gals can't win even with a headstart (pardon
the pun), can you?

they don't buy the romantic drivel and tend to opt for what's real.

Yeah, they'll wait for a white knight socialist government
to rescue them and their agenda from those "abandoning" men.
Just as soon as social security is fixed.

Harlequan ought to write it as a romance...

Women's desires have changed, but some men haven't noticed.

Lessee: Women want breadwinning men. Howz that change?

Books and
films and other stories in print have illuminated what's going on in
the world; women have had a better look at the male psyche, then they
had ...say...in the fifties. This paints a much clearer picture, along
with the facts coming out daily about things like how men leave their
wives who get brain cancer much more readily than women leave their
husbands.

Women much more readily leave their husbands for all of the other
reasons, yes?

More and more women are buying shirts that read, "men lie".
I think they have your number.

I'm sure that helps such women pick up the breadwinning "secure"
maucho men that turn them on.

Just the opposite, as you know, more women would rather admit
to being a member of the KKK than NOW.

Besides, that means that > women can enlist the easy sex from handsome
men and not have to darn
their sox in the process. :-)

I'm not handsome, granted, but I do know of several men who are
and from what I've seen and heard they can be as fussy as women.

Ok. So what? I think that's A--ok.

So your claim that women can have sex from handsome men anytime
they like is not necessarily true. Especially frumpy career
fraus.

Tell you what: Try going up to a handsome man and ask him if
he would like to have sex with you. See what happens.

After all, they have a comparitively easier access to sex too, yes?

Yes and no. You see, years ago, men had greater access to sex ON THEIR
TERMS;

What have you been smoking?

50 years ago, America was an incredibly prudish society.
Men signed a faustian bargain with feminism and leftism to
get things more loosened up. Pay attention.

It's ironic that feminist sexual harassment codes make
puritannical victorians seem rather relaxed by comparison.

today much of the trade in sex between two people, is on equal
terms. The Puntang has moved to Aids ridden streets or to Thailand.
:-) Men who indulge in the rape culture don't find what they want
here, and those guys are very frustrated. Loser guys who used to get
away with rape more often are finding slim pickins.

Meow baby! Yet, these "losers" running off the plantation
have given a lot of angst to spinster feminists here at home.
Hillary discusses them with her husband (if he was there :-)

I hear funny stories about them going to McD's and the women
working the counter telling them "no charge" and gushing
over them later and asking for their phone number (which
they give as fake) Or getting free drinks from stewardesses.

???? You mean wealthy atheletes? Because I don't really here stories
about frumpy blond men without lots of money being on the flirt line
and Mickeys.

Nope. Just normal athletes or even just good looking men.

It's good to be good looking. :-)

You will never know.

Agreed.

And I'm cool with that. You never really knew either although
you were able to live, for a short time, with the illusion
of being attractive due to the attention of sexually
starved beta males. Those days are long over, eh?

Women told me that they felt frustrated that when they played
their standard "hard to get" game they play with normal men,
the good looking men just walk off and wait for some
other woman to throw herself at him. So I know from what
these women tell me that they know men like to be asked out.
They just don't want to ask men out if they can avoid it.

Mark, good looking people of either sex get asked out more than frumpy
ones.

I disagree.

Women tell me that when they were frumpy they got more attention
but from lower self-esteem men (you ought to remember).
At some point, of course, some women get so frumpy as to
not get any attention at all.

But, by and large, more men ask women out than the reverse, at
least for the first date.

As I said, we're both of an older generation.

However, I'm ok with women asking men out
if they like. Choice, is, after all, what feminism is all about. It's
just that women have different motivations.

Yep. Better to wait to be asked out by men who are desperate
enough to be manipulated into doing so, but not "lie".
Now who gestates all those pre-abandoned children again? :-)

And, as you suggest, men need not marry> > or have famlies if they don't
want to marry. All of this seems to be
working for MY agenda. :-)

We might as well point out that men can go shoe-shopping anytime they
want too. :-)

Are you suggesting men don't wear shoes? Good luck on that.

They wear them. They just don't take more than an hour
or two out of a year to buy them (including the drive to
the store.)

Not really, Mark. Today's working women are able to afford to look
beautiful either for themselves, or to attract a particular man.

AND able to afford that dream condo too, eh? :-)

Dream? I don't know about that, but it won't change the FACT that
single women are buying more property than single men.

Oh, the single men may buy it too. Maybe in about 2 years or so
after the market has gone down. :-)

Sure, you keep on believing that and hope that women in the> real world can
delude themselves too.

Facts are facts, Mark...nothing delusional about those.

The good looking men I discuss above tell me not only did they
need to be born with good looks, they also have to work out for
them. Most hit the gym probably for 2 hours a day. (That's
probably why we don't see them posting here :-)

I laugh with my wife that when I see an aging hollywood starlet
hit the red carpet with a designer dress and million dollar
diamonds, she still won't get as much attention as the young
thing who walks in with something that she just threw on.
Everyone is aware of this. Sharon Stone was just crying about
it. (Nevermind that she enjoyed the same glory days at
older women's expense when it suited her.)

If you still have a wife, I'm pretty sure she laughs AT YOU, Mark, and
not with you.

Your partner must love having you around. Oh, wait. :-)

AS to aging actresses, they would be better served by
doing their own thing and not being so worried about what men think.

Hahahahahaha!

Er, they spend most of their time worried about what everyone
thinks: The press, stupid papparrazzi, their fans (or lack of),
etc.

I'm thinking of actresses like Kate Hepburn who worked well into her
old age. Sharon STone, btw ...is NO Kate Hepburn. :-)

Indeed. Ironically, women could age more gracefully BEFORE
the sexual revolution and letting it all hang out. No wonder
feminists yearn for puritannical mores. :-)

They> > can afford this more than little Russian mail order dollies who
need to
ask their cheap husbands for a buck.

My wife loves all the American glamour magazines (which crowd the shelves
at supermarkets while Ms is buried in the back at B&N :-)

Of course she does Mark; she's not very bright; she married you after
all. (allegedly)

Yeah, allegedly there's a magazine called Ms. :-)

I'm reminded of the joke where a defense attorney refers
to the accuser as "the alleged accuser". :-)

However, in all fairness, I'm not a big fan of Ms.
I tend to read law and science journals.

Hahahahahahaha!

Yeah, I'm sure you keep all the back issues next to your NRA
membership card. :-) You just delivered the journals when
you were a receptionist.

Her cosmetics habit isn't really that expensive. She loves
buying all the cute packages and specials that come out.
Our postman knows when an Ives Rocher box comes in, it comes
to our house. Maybe it's a lot of money for teenage girls,
but even women in Ukraine can afford to look beautiful every day.
After all, the manufacturers know to price the stuff so women
can afford to buy it.

I find that smart women are more concerned with their health, and that
having good health makes them much more beautiful than goop on faces.
Foot care, for example., and not wearing high heels is symbolic of a
good health practice.
:-) Smart women buy good moisturizers and sunblock and avoid cheap
packages and cheap men.

And wear "comfortable" shoes. Yet, this doesn't sound at
all like the SatC girls you worship.

Men surveyed said they wouldn't allow themselves to be penetrated by
a dildo, even by a woman, for a million dollars. They find the act
to be demasculating (or is that emasculating? :-)

???? I'm not sure what that means to you Mark, but it might interest
you to know that more men have sex change operations than women. :-)

Indeed. But these men generally probably don't mind being penetrated by
men to begin with. :-)

Well, obviously, there are more men who want to experience sex as a
woman, so not everyone sees sex as being part of a rape culture.

So no doubt when it comes to transsexuals, feminism works
perfectly. :-)

But
men who think women need to be put down or humiliated in some way in
the sex act, are really very insecure bitter twitters like you. Did
you tell your wife that you enjoy humiliating her?

I don't recall saying that men humiliate women. I did say
that the sex act is emasculating. A woman cannot be emasculated.
Well, some women anyway. :-)

You get the point. (pardon the pun) Even men who "beg" for sex,
are always more "manly" than women who leverage it to their
advantage. And you've never forgotten it, I'm sure.

I'm not sure what you mean here, Mark. Men who see sex as the act of
rape (within a culture that promotes the rape of women) would tend to
see the act of being penetrated as humiliating, which is why many women
focus on sex not derived from the rape mentality.

A culture that punishes rape as severely, if not moreso than
murder, probably is not a culture that promotes such a thing.

A culture that looks at being in the position of a woman as humiliating
would tho.

So are you agreeing with me and Dworkin then? :-)

Keep in mind that the original reason for punishment for
rape was because women were viewed as property.

Probably similar to child custody issues being based upon
the same reasoning. You were saying?

Now feminism may have
changed the law, but that doesn't mean it changed the minds of wannabee
rapists.

(Maybe they should give men free prostitutes in leau of
rape similar to women getting legal abandonment in leau of
murdering infants/neonates)

I doubt that women would be willing to fund such a project, Mark.

So women are willing to tolerate rape more than society is
willing to tolerate infant/neonate murder. OK.

And
women comprise just over 51% of those eligible to vote.

Which means that women have refused equal duties in the military
since gaining the right to vote OR the patriarchal men
have continued to rule.

Whereas, women
voters tend to see safe options for newborns as beneficial to all of
society.

While safe options to rape are not?

And, women who fear rapists can do as they are doing and
buying and learning to use more guns.

Yeah, they just need to remmember where they kept the gun
along with their NRA card. :-)

A secure man is a strong man, and that is whether or not a woman
is
willing to marry him. Surely, you don't count men's strangth by
what
women choose?

Really?

Truely.

I don't think there's an action film with Stallone and Ghandi
anytime soon. :-)

Good because Ghandi is dead, and Stallone is looking a bit long in
the
tooth.

He's still probably more marketable than Sharon Stone. :-)

You know, I've never really liked Sharon Stone or Rambo, but I'm sure
you like the notion that men don't go to see older women,

Probably because if women's values of sex objects went even
further as they aged, then I don't think any men would
be able to afford one. :-)

I don't see that notion as being problematic. Smart women will learn
to support that which benefits them more and more.

So the women who gestate children for men who clearly abandon
them are not terribly smart, are they?

Sharon Stone was basically a one-hit wonder with Basic Instinct
and then tried to parlay it into a serious career with
a bunch of seemingly artsy roles. The good news I guess
is that she'll always have an open invitation for a red carpet
event even if she has no particular reason to be there.

As I said, I don't particularly like her either.

while women are not as embittered.

You haven't read Sharon Stone's comments about the failure of her film.
:-)

Mark, there are women who are poor sports as well. Can you see Kate
Hepburn blaming someone else for the failure of a film?

Actually, Parg, you're a billboard for such women as you hide
your face from public view like a gollum or phantom of USENET.

I've never been particularly interested in playing first fiddle, even
in my career choices, and I've had plenty of opportunity. But then, I
have a family to consider. Were I a single woman, alone with my cat
:-) my options would be different, but even then, I see no reason at
all to invite intruders into my life. Do you? From what I heard,
there was some trouble identifying you and Galena. That should make it
seem a bit more troublesome, even from your perspective, when you put
the information out there, yourself.

But you're single and your son grew up a long time ago.
You're all alone with what's precious to you (that vote
that makes you so very important every other year or so.)

(edit)

Actually, to many career women, there is something wrong with such men.
A taxicab driver making $50K a year with his own license is
actually a pretty good catch as far as society is concerned.
He probably can afford to house and support a two parent family.
But most upper-income career women would sneer at him because
he doesn't have income earning or status similar to her.
(At least they sneer in their 20's)

From my own perspective, I don't understand that position. And I know
of other women who have good men who earn less than they earn. In
fact, statistics don't bear this out since there is a percentage of
women who ARE married to men who earn less than they earn.

I'm reminded of the joke in the Simpson's where a woman
executive tells Lisa that a percentage of all profits
to go charity. Lisa asks how much and the woman answers
"Zero. Zero's a percentage, right?"

(edit)

You had argued that women wanted strong men. I countered that compared
to women, most men are strong.

No, Mark. That men are bigger than women does NOT mean they are
stronger.

And that's not what I was talking about. I was talking about
the ability to handle responsibilities and risks.

Even when men have stronger muscles that does not mean they
are strong men, just that they have bigger muscles.

Agreed. The same thing goes for salaries. The ability to handle
responsibilities is a matter of psychology, not just numbers.

While it's> still true the women tend to make a scotch less than men,

But even in the case where women make a scotch (or more) than
men, they still cannot handle the responsibilities of these
working class blokes. The women aren't man enough (see
the above point about penetration :-)

Not being able to "handle" a certain responsibility is not quite the
same as not desiring it.

AHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Very well said! Indeed, that's the way that most successful
professional men probably feel about women who don't
go out with men who are "intimidated" by them. :-)

Again, if men want to remain insecure, let it be. I'm ok with that.

Perhaps you're ok with that considering how you prefer being
alone (even as you don't admit it publically) but many women
want families with a committed husband. These women
realize that feminism isn't the way to go which is why
most denounce it.

:-) Growing up is a hard thing to do. While wanting someone to share
the work or to support you while raising children is already a grown up
concept.

You mean like the men who leave women with cancer because
they don't see what they're going to get out of the marriage
at the moment? That kind of "grown up concept?"

But I still disagree with what you just said. If such women
were capable of handling it, they wouldn't be crying as
damsels in disdress of men "abandoning" them or all the socialist
programs they need being put off lest social security go bankrupt.

Well, I'm against lots of social programs, and the ones I don't like I
don't support. However, most social programs are geared toward
children, Mark....and not toward women. And last time I checked, women
still didn't co-create alone.
:-)

So I guess it's not women's ability to create children, but
men's as well. So it looks like men have a lions share
of most of the abilities and share that one with women.
We're just amazing, aren't we? :-)

I don't see any particular reason for women wanting men who can't
offer them something that these women can't get
on their own.

Many of these women probably need men who can help cook
and clean around the home. In fact, from my dating days,
I remember that many career women were slobs even worse
than myself (and that's saying something!)

Well, if that's really what a woman wants, perhaps she can find such a
man. I have no objection to that. I just don't think most men are up
to the job.

Most janitors are men. Most world class chefs are men.

Men are up for "jobs" which is why they don't need
programs, er, correct that, their _children_ don't need
programs in their care.

It's funny to hear you complain that society doesn't give women
a medal for having children and cleaning their own homes
when women and yourself judge a person's success based upon
their income.

I've never once demanded metals for women, but rather equal recognition
of women's unique contribution to our survival as a species.

But didn't you just say it took two? :-)

And, it's
ok if men don't honor it; women will simply not honor what USED TO BE
men's only unique contribution.

Sure. They can move to North Paris and feel really safe
and liberated. :-)

AS to judging people....according to
their income, I don't really do that, but also I need not marry someone
in a particular income just like you need not marry a black woman, eh?

Absolutely.

You see, Mark, marriage is about what each person uniquely wants.
It's very much a judgement call, and there's nothing wrong wanting
someone who can support you thru pregnancy and child raising, if that's
what interests that couple.

Apparently, some "abilities" need to be supported more than others. :-)

Even these working class blokes offer women quite a bit.
Additional pocket income, do some cooking and cleaning
around the home, help to raise the kids. It may not be
much, but it's enough for women to feel the impact if
he "abandons" her.

Ah, so your theory is to keep them barefoot, pregnant and in constant
threat of abandonment. Good luck, Galena. Perhaps someone should give
her the number for social services.

Er, I was talking about working class blokes and more wealthy
women. Indeed, women don't keep men "barefoot and pregnant"
because they aren't willing to "share" as much as men.

As I said in other threads, there are plenty of very
good looking Russian men out there too but career women
weren't willing to take the risk or expense or trouble
to bring them over which is why they wound up settling for
guys, well, like me. :-)

And while that need not come in the form of a bigger> > paycheck, there
has to be something to trade.

Here's where men's generosity becomes clear: They tend
to be the ones who marry for love most often. They take
the risks and work to support their families.

Hahahahahahaha. I think men marry for sex and romance most often,
Mark.

What do you think romance is?

Smart men find ways to turn that into love. Stupid men just end
up divorced.

Couldn't the same be said of stupid women who wind up
with men leaving them because she has cancer?

Women tend to be more careful when they marry especially
if they have goals and dreams regarding family.

Which is why so many social programs are needed to
keep the child she had the "ability" to gestate
from suffering in her care...

(edit)
Indeed. Just as I have posted plenty of articles on women buying
property AND losing their shirts, er, blouses. :-)

I have not seen even ONE article from you or anyone with women losing
on real estate.

Argument of ignorance.

Easily remedied:

<8XzKf.52506$H%4.6333@pd7tw2no>
Consider this recent article about two Ms's:
http://tinyurl.com/mm5hu
"For those buyers who had dreamed of quick riches, the change in the
market has come as a sobering lesson. A little over a year ago, Shabana
Qureshi, a 26-year-old engineer, put deposits down on two condos in
Arlington. "My friends were making hundreds of thousands of dollars off
of properties," Ms. Qureshi said. "I just thought I'll take this risk
now and not think about it too much, and once the time comes I can
either sell it or use it depending on my needs."
She moved into a one-bedroom condo at Clarendon 1021 with hardwood
floors, granite kitchen countertops and a heated pool on the roof. But
having taken a pay cut with a new job, she can no longer afford the
mortgage and maintenance fees, which are almost $3,000 a month."

Great LOCATION, eh?

regards,
PolishKnight
.

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