Re: Universals


"ghoul-cow" <ghoulcow@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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>>>I have to make a somewhat philosophical post here, so if anyone wishes to
>>>add other newsgroups to this thread, please do so.
>>
>>> I am sorry to have to begin this with another mention of underage sex,
>>> which may give the impression of me being obsessed with the topic. I am
>>> no more than any other perceived injustice.
>>
>>> I realise that the idea of statutory rape is a very modern one - while
>>> traditional cultures may have had many restrictions on sexual activity,
>>> I
>>> am not aware of any that used age itself as a judgement until the later
>>> 19th century.
>>
>> What age is this "magic" under age? Is it the same for males and
>> females? I think we can agree that 12 and under is inappropriate
>> universally. But what of a 16 or 17 year old girl and a 25 year old man?
>> I'm not as sure as you. I think it is more complex.
>>
>>> Many immoral things have been accepted traditionally, of course, but the
>>> key difference is this: for certain things, such as cruelty and
>>> corruption, there has always been some people (at least) who thought
>>> them
>>> wrong in all societies. For 'statutory rape' I do not believe that there
>>> was anyone who would support such an idea very long ago. So I can
>>> distinguish by that test behavior that is truly wrong from that that is
>>> merely 'taboo' in our present society.
>>
>> It would be better if nobody had sex before age 18.
>> BUT...............
>>
>>> I consider myself to be a 'universal man', and believe in a universal
>>> morality. So, I do not find underage sex (nor incest) to be inherently
>>> wrong. I do not find eating dog, cat, horse, etc. to be inherently
>>> wrong.
>>> I do not find 'improper' disposal of dead corpses to be inherently
>>> wrong.
>>> And I do not find misogyny to be inherently wrong.
>>
>> I find incest intrincicly wrong 100% of the time. I find misogyny,
>> misandry and racism inherantly wrong.
>>
>>> I believe that the most worthwhile thing a man can do is to attempt to
>>> build a better society. One way to do that is through the common things:
>>> technology, politics, and living morally oneself. The other way, the
>>> really important way, is to change people's beliefs. It may not always
>>> be
>>> the most important, but ultimately abandoning such 'taboos' is
>>> necessary,
>>> not only are they unjust in themselves, they are an obstacle to clear
>>> thinking. And, as anyone who agrees on statutory rape knows, they
>>> present
>>> real trouble for our common cause.
>>
>>> This is the greatest crime of Andre Lieven. Certainly not just that he
>>> disagreed, not even that he is stupid, offensive, and vulgar, but that
>>> he
>>> hates. He is driven by hatred, and that can't be tolerated.
>>
>> As I mentioned in another newsgroup earlier. John Lennon went on a
>> journey that took him to, among other places, the Himalayas to "find the
>> true meaning of life." On that quest he penned his classic song
>> "Imagine." The ramblings of a confused little boy. Imagine no
>> governments,
>> no language differences, no racial differences, no religion, no family,
>> no
>> possessions
>> (socialism) and nothing to live or die for. In short a TOTALLY EMPTY
>> life. One completely devoid of meaning or joy! Imagine being a tree slug.
>> No nobility, no courage, no striving to learn and be more than you are.
>> Imagine being STUPID!

>> Yes there are universal wrongs............... Striving to be better
>> and
>> build positive things is the meaning of life. To enjoy life and be as
>> kind
>> to others as you can be. To stand for the right and against the wrong..
>> And with those close to you - to love as hard as you can - to give as
>> much
>> of your heart and soul as you can.

> You are then admitting to jail bait banging? Bad kenny.....

Quite the opposite dip***.


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