Re: Boys' education funds unveiled to reduce gender gap


Ben wrote:
> Hyerdahl wrote:
> > Ben wrote:
> > > Hyerdahl wrote:
> > > (edit)
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your entire argument is that the girls are being shortchanged. Tell me
> > > > > > > > > > > how. And tell me why it's only the girls.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Monetarily. That's how.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > In other words, you can't.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >I just did. Money is easy to count.
> > > > >
> > > > > Money isn't the issue. It is, however, the easiest thing to measure
> > > > > and manipulate.
> >
> > Money may not be YOUR issue, but it's certainly mine. :-)
>
> Well duh. I've said right along that you're limited to counting beans,
> haven't I? Because you really have nothing else. At. All.
>
> > > >
> > > > And that makes things very clear. Each student should have the same
> > > > funding.
> > >
> > > Then why can't you show me how sports programs for girls and boys are
> > > shortchanging the students in the classrooms? It should be relatively
> > > easy, if it's true. I even told you I wasn't being sarcastic, I'd
> > > really like to know what you have besides some beans in front of you.
> > >
> > > > >
> > > It's all about the money, Ben.
>
> Okay then, you have nothing else. So in your world view, with boys
> dropping academically both in performance and attendance, and their
> sports opportunities being taken away, while girls gain in both areas,
> indicates that the girls are being shortchanged? I dunno...I guess it
> truly *is* impossible to talk rationally with a zealot.
>
> >
> >
> > (edit to Ben providing proof that boys are being shortchanged)
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > I told you I'd accept any govt. sponsored study not proposed by a male
> > > > > > > > > > > > rights group, NOW, or the Independent Women's Forum (they aren't
> > > > > > > > > > > > independent.) etc.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Okay, then which sponsors would be acceptable to you? And why does it
> > > > > > > > > > > have to be a government study?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Govt. studies are the most difficult to pretend existence of space
> > > > > > > > > > ships landing on circle crops and they have several people running them
> > > > > > > > > > so they are less inclined to contain bias. And, you haven't even
> > > > > > > > > > presented me with a study from any other credible group.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > That's right, I haven't. Given your response history, I don't waste my
> > > > > > > > > time with requests like this from you.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Then you lose the debate.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Not really. Given that every time I've given you material in the past
> > > > > > > you've either failed to read it or actually run away from the debate,
> > > > > > > your "moral authority" to demand anything from me vanished long ago.
> > > > > > > In that respect, you've lost every single debate in which we've engaged
> > > > > > > where I provided you with sources. So now, knowing your pattern, I
> > > > > > > don't bother.
> >
> > I'm not talking about the past. I'm talking about here and now. You
> > either have proof boys are being shortchanged, or you don't.
> > I've seen no study showing such.
>
> Well, Hy, you yourself acknowledge they're slipping academically, and
> you yourself acknowledge that boys sports programs are being taken
> away, and you yourself can't show how girls are being shortchanged, and
> you yourself acknowledge that girls are gaining academically. And, you
> don't look at material supplied to you, so you couldn't "see" a study.

(Edit)

Here, I'll engage in a gesture of good faith. Below you'll find links
to two decent studies. Read them and comment on them. In return, I
expect you to provide me with a study that shows girls are being
shortchanged in the classroom *because* of boys sports programs.

http://www.indiana.edu/~nsse/hssse/pdf/hssse_2005_report.pdf

http://www.nfhs.org/scriptcontent/Va_custom/vimdisplays/contentpagedisplay.cfm?content_ID=163


Let's see if you can do it, or if you're really just a case of
crocodile mouth and parakeet ass.

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