Re: "If not for boys, I'd quit school"

Hyerdahl wrote:

Ken Chaddock wrote: 

Sure they are...your posts in this thread are a perfect example of such
"bellyaching"...you don't want young women to even be *aware* that their
actions could have undesirable consequences, let alone that they suffer
the consequences of their actions...otherwise you'd be all for exposing
young women to the *reality* that ONLY they can become pregnant and that
*ONLY* they will have to deal with that if it occurs...

I don't know any young women who are not aware of risking pregnancy,
tho. Girls grow up and learn about their bodies, their sexuality and
the risks of gestation and delivery; they see their own female
relatives in the process. However, it isn't up to girls to be the
morality caretaker of boys/men's sperm. That is up to men.

Then you can have no objection to men being empowered to ensure that their sperm does not create a child they do not want...at ANY time.

So the risks, other than the physical ones, are shared.

Since post coitus, the woman has sole control and custody of the "genetic" material, she should be solely responsible for the consequences of those decisions and actions that ONLY she can take...anyhting else is a violation of the most basic tenets of western concepts of personal responsibility and justice.

I don't care what steps men take or don't take to solve their parenting
problems.  That is up to them.  However, preaching to girls to be MORE
responsible doesn't work for me since men also are affected by
childbirth.

A man should be expected to do what he needs to do to protect *himself* and a woman should be expected to do what is necessary to protect herself...but the reality is that a failure of these precautions will effect the girl disproportionately therefore, feminist rhetoric aside, we fail in our moral responsibility to the girl not to have made her aware of the disproportionately heavier burden she will carry if birth control measures fail...

Women are only in a "great position" to have promiscuous sex because
our society transfers the consequences of the actions of women onto the
shoulders of men.

Nonsense! Men's DNA bears men's responsibility.

BS, men don't decide to gestate and give birth women do. If women have all the power and authority they must have all the responsibility that goes with that power and authority...trying to put the responsibility for their sovereign decisions and actions onto another person is reprehensible and is NOT the mark of an adult...

Women aren't responsible for men's actions, only their own.   And when
two co-create the causation remains with both.

The biological reality is that men and women co-create a fetus, women ALONE create a baby, consequently she ALONE should be responsible for it...

Women ARE doing "anything they want" today.  You can't stop them.  And
yes, they will have the sole burden of physical consequence, but the
shared burden of raising any resulting children.


	HER BODY = HER CHOICE = HER RESPONSIBILITY

I wonder how all those 40 something career woman who are now finding
out that, contrary to feminist rhetoric, they cannot have the children
they so desperately want would see you insistence that we not "burden"
young women with the truth...how many of them would shout that they wish
someone had been truthful with THEM 20 years ago when there was still
time for them to have their children ?


When I was a youngster, the women in my family knew their chances of
getting pregnant, lessened as they grew older. To them, that seemed
the natural way of things.

Then they didn't know very much. The chance of getting pregnant *FOR THE FIRST TIME* diminishes rapidly after the age of 30, to the point where unassisted conception is nearly impossible by age 40 and even with "assistance" only about a 2% probability. The probability of getting pregnant *AGAIN* diminished hardly at all until menopause. These "facts" are or relatively recent discovery so unless the women in your family had crystal balls that they could see the medical research of the future...you're just making up another "story for the boys"


Men only must shoulder the burden of their own resulting DNA
contribution.


	Not if the woman was solely responsible for the outcome...which she was...

Girls don't have to be better than boys to have equal sexual rights.

And boys shouldn't have to make onerous or uncomfortable efforts at birth control to protect the girl...only to protect themselves...the girl's protection should be her business...


So...there are no virgin workshops for American
women.....boooofuckinghoo!

And that says it all right there, no further comment is necessary, this shows your deep disregard for the welfare of women if the pursuit of that welfare conflicts with your feminist "beliefs" and rhetoric...

....Ken
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