Re: Single Men Not Allowed to Sit Next to Unaccompanied Children on Airliners


Hyerdahl wrote:
> mark_sobolewski@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
> > Hyerdahl wrote:
> > > Mark Sobolewski wrote:
> > > >
> > > > (edit)
> > >
> > > > Hyerdahl certainly was predictable in her hypocrisy and
> > > > man-hating by cheering sexist profiling of men while
> > > > at other times poo-poo-ing when it's done
> > > > against politically correct groups in other areas.
> > >
> > > I don't consider the choice of the airlines in where to place children,
> > > profiling at all. What is the harm caused or the damages sought in
> > > such a suit? How does it harm men if children are placed away from
> > > them on an airplane. (If anything, it seems unfair to female
> > > passengers) :-)
> >
> > Using that logic, black motorists stopped should feel lucky that
> > they are given helpful attention from the police too. :-)
>
> But there, the cops are harassing them. Placing children further away
> on a crowded airplane would be a BLESSING, would it not? :-)
>
> >
> > > > If I was asked to give up my seat because of their
> > > > profiling policy, I would be happy to accept provided
> > > > they gave me a seat in business or first class.
> > >
> > > If you have requested an isle seat, for example, and they can move you
> > > to another isle seat, I'm not sure what standing you'd have to demand a
> > > seat in business class or first class.
> >
> > I reserve a specific seat with an airline often months in advance
> > precisely for personal comfort. Asking me to move is an
> > inconvenience especially if it's for their policy.
> > It's their problem, not mine.
>
> Ok....I see your point, but if they could find you a similar seat, it
> would be less inconvenient, and perhaps they would move you to bus.
> class which would be an upgrade.

Did you get a new prescription for your glasses? :-)

My argument is that if I have a reserved seat which I paid for
then they should compensate me somehow or make it
worth my while.

> > > OTOH, if you didn't want to
> > > change seats, the airline would most likely do something else.
> > > They're pretty accomodating.
> >
> > I'm sure Rosa Parks must have felt "accomodated" too when
> > she could get plenty of seats in the back. Fiddle dee dee!
>
> I don't see how this relates to Parks at all.

Try cleaning your granny glasses. :-)

It's pretty obvious: Rosa Parks refused to give up her seat
because she wanted to create a legal challenge to the social contract
that said she needed to give up a seat because of her race.

I'm arguing that men have human rights as well. There were
a number of them at the signing of the Constitution I understand...

> > > > Funny how this coincides with Rosa Parks' recent death
> > > > for her refusal to give up a seat? I would be sure
> > > > to remind the stewardess loudly of this fact if
> > > > I didn't get a better class of seat.
> > > >
> > > Well, that's just because you're a piggy, Mark.
> >
> > You can just call me "uppity".
>
> I do, frequently. :-)

Indeed. Consider, however, that this guy under ordinary conditions
may not have been anything like me. He may have been both
chivalrous in a traditional and modern sense and a supporter
for socialist protections for women.

This slap in the face has helped to educate him that feminists
such as yourself get a snicker about them being treated
as potential sexual abusers as children even as the law
and social mores regard such presumptions of guilt
unthinkable in other cases. Good going!

Didja like the results of the last Presidential election? :-)

> > It's funny that your attitude is a near perfect parallel to that
> > of the fictional "Archie Bunker" and racist bigots of 50 years
> > ago. Your hatred of patri-poppas is amazing considering
> > that you rely upon them precisely for hyper-chivalrous
> > patronage and protection of women and yourself.
>
> I just don't see much sense in being arrogant, loud and a miserable son
> of a bitch when the world is much nicer when people are able to get
> along.

"Be nice and sit down and shut up, Rosa".

Nonsense! When non-white males are making trouble for almost
no reason whatsoever, you don't see a problem with it.

> If the airlines asked me to move, to accomodate another person,
> I would likely do so,

So you're not like Rosa Parks then who refused to accomodate
a white man who required to move as per the social
contract.

> but then I don't take up much space, so I don't
> need any special accomodation.
>
> > > You're the kind of
> > > person that defines the idea behind "the ugly American".
> >
> > You're misusing that expression. "Ugly American"
> > refers to Americans who are ignorant or hostile to foreign cultures.
>
> Being on an airplane is a bit like being in a foreign culture.

That's stretching it even for you.

> I was
> on one trip where they offered me coffee or chi ...which was tea.
> Plus, those on international flights are from all over the world. The
> term "ugly American" has been attributed to Americans who think they
> deserve more attention or grace than anyone else.

Exactly. Such people think they're entitled to special attention
and grace for being Americans. Your use of the term doesn't
make any sense. I don't think I'm entitled to special treatment
for that reason or heck, even special treatment at all
since the policy is sexist by nature.

> When you're flying,
> things happen that you have to put up with that you might not have to
> put up with in other venues.

So you're saying racism and sexism is acceptable behaviour from
airlines then. Interesting. I'll have to talk to the stewardess about
that. :-)

> > > Most people> > do what they can to be helpful to others, but not our Mark. :-)
> >
> > Rosa sure wasn't helpful to that white man who wanted the row.
> >
> Mark, you are no Rosa Parks. :-)

At the time, Rosa Parks wasn't "Rosa Parks" either. She was just
being an old uppity black woman defying the social contract
and being unaccomodating and rude and holding up an entire bus
of people trying to get to work over a trivial bus seat.

Indeed, in hindsight such historical figures are lauded for a variety
reasons but at the time, their actions probably appeared petty
and troublesome. Rosa Parks to her credit at least did something
noteworthy. You demand that women get credit for the
"sacrifice" of cleaning their own home and birthing their
own children for their selfish reasons. I cleaned my desk
this morning. Give me a medal! Look! I got a piece of
rice caught in my arm, give me a medal! (Oh, someone
did get a medal for that. :-)

On a small, daily level people can do heroic lifechanging things
even if they are never recognized at the time or heck, even
ever. Maybe a single act of kindness or heroism can help
change people's attitudes for the better (or just for the sake
of change) that can have a profound impact on the world.
I'm proud to say that I have probably a suitcase of such
moments in my life where I've wanted to back down but
didn't. I don't have to show off rice wound medals or
ask for sacrifice credit for brushing my teeth.

regards,
Mark Sobolewski

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