Re: Congratulations to the Chicago White Sox!
- From: "Grizzlie Antagonist" <lloydsofhanford@xxxxxxxxx>
- Date: 27 Oct 2005 12:30:48 -0700
Jill wrote:
> On 26 Oct 2005 23:22:38 -0700, "Grizzlie Antagonist"
> <lloydsofhanford@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> >Winners of the 2005 World Series, who presumably shook off the curse of
> >the "Black Sox" with their dramatic 1-0 victory tonight. The game ended
> >with a close play at first base as the runner representing the would-be
> >tying run was coming home from third base -- in vain, as it turned out.
> >
> >Just as the Red Sox last year ended the curse of Babe Ruth by winning
> >their first World Series since 1918, the White Sox, as I said, ended
> >the curse of the "Black Sox" by winning THEIR first World Series since
> >1917.
> >
> >Shoeless Joe Jackson played on that old White Sox team, just as Babe
> >Ruth played on that old Red Sox team.
> >
> >Food for thought for those who insist that we can never "turn back the
> >clock" to a pre-universal suffrage society. Baseball is a reminder
> >that we never stray far from our roots.
>
> Recently I've been catching some baseball movies on TV. One was "The
> Natural" where one online reviewer suggested the Roy Hobbs character
> was based on Shoeless Joe as they both had their own personal bat
> which they had named.
Not necessarily a distinguishing characteristic. Many ballplayers
anthropomorphize their bats - or at least the old-timers often did.
There's a picture of Ted Williams kissing his.
> Like Shoeless Joe, Roy Hobbs experienced a big
> fall from grace when he was young but in the movie Roy Hobbs was given
> that second chance to play professional baseball again that was denied
> to Shoeless Joe in real life.
I'm sorry to say that I haven't seen that movie.
> The other movie was "Field of Dreams" where Shoeless Joe is an actual
> character in the movie who was given a second chance to play baseball.
> I think it a real moral wrong that in real life Joe Jackson was not
> allowed a second chance since he did not throw the game although he
> supposedly knew of the fix before hand. Hopefully he will one day be
> inducted into the Baseball Hall of Fame as he was an exceptional ball
> player.
Jackson not only knew of the fix, but he apparently received $10,000
from the fixers. So he compromised himself to that extent.
However, he hit .375 in the World Series, the highest batting average
for any player on either team. He WAS an exceptional ballplayer - with
maybe more sheer natural ability than anyone before him or after him.
Both Babe Ruth and Ty Cobb copied his swing.
I have mixed feelings about Shoeless Joe in the Hall of Fame, since he
DID compromise himself, but he was arguably nothing more than a naive
country bumpkin in the wrong company.
I have no personal respect or sympathy for Pete Rose and I hope that
Rose NEVER gets into the Hall of Fame. If he does, they should
certainly allow Shoeless Joe in.
> Both of the above movies also touched heavily on the subject of
> Fathers and Sons and the importance of that relationship in men's
> lives. In "Field of Dreams" the James Earl Jones character gives a
> speech similar to your comment above that baseball is a reminder that
> we never stray far from our roots. I think that those were some of
> the best lines in the movie.
They were, but to be honest, I never cared much for "Field of Dreams".
Goddamned aging 60's acidheads grooving on a baseball trip. That's my
nine-word review of the movie.
.
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