Re: Yugoslavia occupation map?
- From: Ivan Bajlo <webmaster@xxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 22:37:43 -0400
On May 11, 4:58 pm, "Michele" <don'tspammeat...@xxxxxx> wrote:
And that isn't a point that makes him a collaborationist, or anything
different from an enemy of the Axis. By this reasoning, how should a common
partisan having nobody at his orders be rated? As a friend of the Axis?
Yeah. So what? Being in the mountains with guns and not obeying the
occupiers' orders still at the very least doesn't qualify one as a
collaborationist, and somebody - namely the occupation authorities, whose
opinion seems somewhat relevant in the issue - would call that, in and by
What??? I have no idea what you are trying to say.
"At his disposal". By this kind of reasoning, of course, any Serbian
nationalist should be counted as being at the disposal of Mihailovic. For
Should and was is a big difference, Mihailovic had everything hand to
him on silver platter and he failed at every point.
Mihailovic, you want to count the number of men who actually were with him
in time and place. For Tito, you want to count even the sympathizers who
could, or could not, eventually join. Ain't that double standards?
Mihailovic had almost three years to prepare for Tito's return to
Serbia and barely managed to scrape 50000 men of all ages most with
little combat experience and this with supplies of weapons from both
Nedic quisling regime and Germans and got almost wiped out by Tito's
veterans who also had to fight Germans and Nedic troops besides
Mihailovic by the time Soviets arrived Tito was all but finished with
Mihailovic who was in full retreat towards Bosnia.
What you are arguing is that only an effective, successful resistance can be
called resistance, while everything else is not resistance, or it's even
No, I'm arguing that to qualify as resistance you actually have to do
something instead of siting on your mountain yelling curses at the
enemy and getting drunk - last two parts are very common way of
"fighting" a war in Balkans. Many post war "heroes" never left local
bar and were rarely sober enough to stand up.
So as mentioned above, you want to reserve to yourself the right to decide
which was a resistance and which was not - regardless of what the decision
makers of all parties involved at the time thought. Additionally, in order
History tends to judge things very differently from what individuals
who made it would want.
to do that, you have to ignore uncomfortable facts and choose standards to
your liking, which you further do not apply equally or fairly to all
This is politics, not history, but if you like to do that, go ahead. I'll
stick with history.
History tends to corrects itself as hidden facts surface which have
been covered up in interests of politics like western Allies allowing
many quislings to escape justice since they considered them possible
allies against new communists regimes - most Italian war criminals
avoided firing squads thanks to politics.
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