Re: Why / Why-not 1941 Japan Vs. Russia?

"bernardz" <bernardz@xxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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As my quote shows the Japanese did ask the Germans to join in also they
asked the Italians as the Japanese codes further state

http://www.ibiblio.org/pha/timeline/411129b.html

Gives the full message where the Ribbentrop quote is from, note
how Ribbentrop is pushing Japan to enter the war.

Message sent 29 November and translated 1 December.

The above message refers to the following communication from Japan.

http://www.ibiblio.org/pha/timeline/411130b.html

From: Rome
To: Tokyo
3 December 1941
(Purple?CA)
#985

When asked by the Japanese representative if Japan declare war on the
United States and Great Britain, would Italy do likewise immediately?

Mussolini: "Of course. She is obligated to do so under the terms of the
Tripartite Pact. Since Germany would also be obliged to follow suit, we
would like to confer with Germany on this point."

http://www.ibiblio.org/pha/timeline/411203m.html

For the full text of this message. It was sent on 3 December and
translated on 6 December.

Mussolini was wrong when it came to the tripartite pact, which
only came into force if the US declared war on Germany, Italy
or Japan. Not the other way around, otherwise Japan would have
been obligated to attack the USSR when Germany did.

Simply put these intercepts were far too late to affect the US decisions.

See also the negotiations carried out by Japan and Germany after
7 December 1941, but before December 11, trying to agree on things
like no separate peace etc.

Geoffrey Sinclair
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