Fw: why did Hitler Kill jews ?

"Stephen Graham" <grahams@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>

Your very extensive post supporting your position fails to address a
most
cogent point - The bombing of the I. G. Farben works definitely hurt the
German military and helped the ultimate Allied Victory over those
forces.
That victory closed not just one but all the death camps.

"Jim-Poncin" <jphkjkhkj@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> posted Feb. 3
[after an earlier long and cogent review of intelligence
concerning the Auschwitz death camp and Auschwitz-
Birkenau synthetic fuel plant]

What you wrote above isn't even logical.
I didn't say anything against bombing the chemical works near Auschwitz. I
wasn't addressing the issue of just one camp. That's plain in what I
wrote.

I do say that once the intelligence came in about the Nazi mass murders in
1941, there should have been an intelligence effort to learn more about
what
was going on, and to take steps to stop and disrupt it. Read what I wrote.

This suggests an unrealistic appreciation of how actual politicians
and commanders manage wars, chiefly by reallocating scarce
resources. This involves estimates about priorities, both long-term
and short term.

" an intelligence effort to learn more about what was going on"
when the Allies were first credibly convinced of the Holocaust
(say December 1942) would have meant reassigning intelligence
resources from topics like deciphering U-boat radio codes (cf.
De Grey's memo saying no more translator or code-breaker
effort would be assigned to collecting more information about
the massacre known to have begun.) Taking code resources from
naval ciphers threatened (a) British supplies of fuel and ammunition,
necessary for the RAF and RN to threaten Germany, (b) the planned
movement of American troops in large numbers to either Britain or
North Africa, (c) American support of the 8th Air Force in Britain.

If more intelligence were available, commanders would have to
decide what then to do about it. In 1943 they knew Allied aircraft
could reach enemy targets (but not as far as Poland where the
death camps were located) and hit cities if not (reliably) pinpoint
targets. The RN and USN were fully occupied in other theatres,
and could not in any case threaten continental Germany or
Poland the way air and land power might. It was reasonable
to assume Allied armies could reconquer all North Africa, but
this did not affect continental Germany or Poland directly.
The only other recent case of army action against German
forces was the catastrophe at Dieppe.

Similarly, planners in 1944 evaluated Auschwitz among
other targets, and did indeed order one air raid on the factory
complex: but decided generally that their limited resources
were better deployed preparing for D-Day, destroying German
fuel supply (cf. Ploesti) and so on, rather than assigning them
to destroy railways or barracks associated with the Holocaust.
This is the sense of Stephen Graham's comment above.

Doing things as you say, nothing except fighting to end the war, allowed
the
Nazis to almost complete their genocide program.

No, this is a question but not an answer. If we want to figure
out the answer, we need first to work out (a) what different action
with the same resources might have impeded the Holocaust, at
some particular date (e.g. Christmas 1943, D-Day 1944), (b) what
the different use of resources would have cost (in deferring known
events, e.g. D-Day, e.g. warfare in Italy), (c) a reliable estimate of
how many civilian lives might have been saved (their deaths not
merely deferred or shifted elsewhere in space and time) and the
probable cost in Allied soldiers and airmen.

Of course no one can do this exactly. But this is the kind of
speculation that guided the work of Allied strategic planners
in 1943 and 1944 -- no less than their assumptions about the
worth of east European peasants, Pomeranian grenadiers,
Smiling Jack Armstrong and other racial stereotypes who
would have to do the actual fighting and dying.

Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)

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