Re: 17th Airborne and Market Garden
"David Thornley" <thornley@xxxxxxxx> wrote in messagenews:dfj0da$b50$1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> In article <dfi15a$iu7$1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
> Robert Willett <rbwillett@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >"Louis Capdeboscq" <louisec00@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> >> The standard infantry training included maneuvering and coordinating
> >> maneuver of large units, i.e. regiments or the whole division fighting
> >> as single coordinated units rather as a collection of individual
> >> elements, however well-trained these might be.
> >> THAT is the advantage that regular infantry had over airborne.
> >Which is still a discussion not of infantry as infantry but large units
> >consisting of more than infantry.
> Look, you were the one who started talking about airborne DIVISIONS
> (pardon my shouting). When you start talking about battalions, you're
> probably talking about other weapon systems, and when you're at
> regiment level you certainly are.
No David when comparing I have been comparing the infantry element of the
Airborne to the infantry element of a straight leg infantry division. I
realize you wish it were otherwise but I am not stupid enough not to realize
that straight leg infantry divisions contain large non-infantry elements.
Look back and you will see the focus you missed.
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- Re: 17th Airborne and Market Garden
... >> The standard infantry training included maneuvering and coordinating the ... i.e. regiments or the whole division fighting ... >> THAT is the advantage that regular infantry had over airborne. ... you were the one who started talking about airborne DIVISIONS ...