Re: WW2 First Declaration of war March 24th 1933.
- From: "Geoffrey Sinclair" <gsinclairnb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 16:53:27 +0000 (UTC)
A Historian wrote in message ...
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>> A Historian wrote in message ...
>> >"Geoffrey Sinclair" <gsinclairnb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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>> In terms of finance it was aided by the Nazis using the Government
>> to take out large loans. Government debt more than quadrupled
>> between 1933 and 1938.
>
>And from whom did the NAZI government borrow all this money?
Given the difficulties in the foreign exchange markets the Germans
were having the majority came from the German banking system.
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"Minor things like in the year September 1940 to August 1941 the
German government spent 37.8% of its cash on the war and 44.9%
repaying loans was the result.
Also, with nice guaranteed orders from the government there was
little incentive to export, so foreign trade, which had been at nearly
27 billion marks in 1929, plunging to 8.5 billion in 1935 had only
reached just under 11 billion in 1939. This was a real problem
for a government needing foreign exchange for things like liquid
fuels and light metals for the war machine.
Do not forget the German chemical processes, like synthetic rubber
that helped the allies by the way."
"I see we are switching from the armies the Nazis raised, which require
governments to support, to individuals who support an individual, Hitler.
There is a big difference, a few million can help an individual but it
takes the billions only governments can raise and spend to finance
a war."
On a German company giving money to Himmler in 1943,
"So let me understand this correctly, in the middle of the war, a company
that used to be owned by a US company, heard of seizure of foreign
assets during wars?, donates a whole 10,000 marks to Himmler.
This is supposed to be a significant source of funds?
Want to quote the cost of a tank?
Where exactly is the evidence the US company authorised the payment?
What about the German assets seized in the US, do they count as
traitors for supporting the US war effort?"
>> Let us see now, Anthony Sutton is on record as saying a US
>> conspiracy financed the Communists and Nazis, with mentions
>> of the favourite group, the Illuminati.
>
>Illuminati may in the modern context now be a disinformation ploy, on the
>other hand it was a real group, with a fascinating history and was
>originally uncobered by the government of Bavaria in the late 1700's. In any
>event readers might like to look it up in a search engine.
Yes the usual secret societies push. Heard it on the internet.
>Probably these days its continued appearance in internet literature is part
>of the Internet disinformation campaign such as that described in the
>anonymous document "Operation Cable Splice", which outlines the strategy of
>disrupting revisionism by a planned campaign of red herrings and false
>leads, like you are seeing in this discussion. Put the term "Operation Cable
>Splice" into your search engine to see what it is about.
The revisionists need a big ego to imagine they can pass their fiction
off as fact, so it is not surprising the egos include imagining plots to
get them.
You know award yourself medals for bravery for tackling the big bad
conspiracy, in perfect safety since it does not exist.
Revisionism, as it applies to WWII is disrupted by the revisionists
being unable to hide the facts.
>Sutton also wrote "Wall Street and the Bolshevik Revolution", and yes folks
>(I like your phrase so much I'm using it too!) Wall Street and in particular
>one Jacob Schiff among others did finance the Russian revolution, and not
>only Sutton says so.
As strange as it seems every country that had heard of fascism and
communism had its supporters of these systems.
Hear of the various spy rings?
>There are even papers in the official State department
>files which confirm it.
Ah yes, the unquoted papers that confirm something.
>Again it's one of those hidden bits of history that
>are not taught widely, because again most of the revolutionaries were Jews
>and it just isn't politically correct to talk about it now.
Ah yes the great Jewish conspiracy rides again. Trouble is the
"most" claim is incorrect.
>Still have a
>look on the internet, try Search terms like "Jacob Schiff", "S.S.
>Christiana", "Lenin AND Royal Canadian Mounted Police" . Not directly
>relevant to WW2, more WW1 and the Russian revolution, but seeing you got
>away with mentioning it I thought I would try too!
Yes folks, someone heard it on the internet and wants to tell
us all.
So where exactly did I mention this?
>> His (Sutton's) book is Wall Street and the rise of Hitler.
>
>Yes you are correct, I mixed up the titles, silly me! Have you read it?
>The text is available on the internet. Just search for the title. Good read
Ah, a book so bad it needs to allow people to read it for "free" on the
internet, the libraries have ignored it.
If it such a good read how come you had the title wrong? Cannot
be that memorable.
>All the aid and technical assistance to the Nazis can't all be explained by
>seizure of assets during war time. A lot of the financing of Hitler and
>build up or German armaments took place before the war when it wasn't
>illegal. But you have to wonder at the motives when you read Sutton's book.
Given Sutton's ability to find the Illuminati the problem is finding where
in fact there are facts in his books, particularly when it comes to motives.
Note the great use the US made of the German synthetic rubber process,
to see how things went both ways.
>> Who Financed Hitler is by James and Susan Pool and deals with
>> the personal and Nazi finances, not the finances needed to build
>> a war machine.
>
>Sounds like a good read too, thanks for pointing that one out, do they have
>it at Amazon?
Let us see, you quoted the correct title with the incorrect author and
are now filling in reply space telling us you cannot go and look up
Amazon's web site for yourself for a book you quoted.
So I gather we can take it that you have not read the book you claimed
to support your case. Thanks for making it clear.
>> No, they took out lots of loans as well, thanks by the way for
>> confirming the Nazis did annex and tax neighbours.
>
>OK. OK, Loans!! So WHO from? Please tell us?
Germans for the majority of the money, then Austrians, Czechs etc.
>> >Hitler had help from the most unlikely quarters, American
>> >companies, Jewish Banks.
What I actually wrote in reply to the above,
"Not to put too fine a point on it, try eventually 80 million German
speakers, who would not have approved of the plans given
how they turned out."
>Were they from the international Jewish bankers?
I like this, someone claiming to be A Historian is replying to himself.
Apparently he can claim Jewish banks were financing Hitler and
then ask whether Jewish bankers were.
Very good, shows how the conspiracy fiction cannot hold together.
With regards to names, A Historian, I am always reminded of
Sir Humphrey Appleby's ideas. Dispose of the difficult bit in the
title, it does less harm there. History is difficult for the fiction writers.
Geoffrey Sinclair
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