Re: Polish–Lithuanian–Teutonic War - The conflicting sides

On Oct 3, 8:24 pm, "Brian M. Scott" <b.sc...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Mon, 3 Oct 2011 15:17:02 -0700 (PDT), AlexMilman
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On Oct 3, 5:12 pm, "Brian M. Scott" <b.sc...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Mon, 3 Oct 2011 10:16:32 -0700 (PDT), AlexMilman
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Władysław I the Elbow-high [...]
That's a rather interesting byname.
'Because of his short height he was nicknamed 'Łokietek',
a diminutive of the word 'łokieć', meaning "ell" or
"elbow", as in "elbow-high"'.

I like it!

As in the case of Pipin the Short, his son was .... "the Great".
Rather interesting parallel. :-)

Didn't work for Napoleon II, though.  <g>

The sequence was definitely wrong: can you imagine what one should do
to get 'the Great' while being son of Napoleon?


I was interested to discover that according to German
Wikipedia (with reference), Pepin's byname is a
mistranslation of Latin <Pippinus minor> 'Pepin the
Younger'.  It goes on to say that the byname (as <brevis>)
is first found in sources of the 11th and 12th century, but
in them it was applied to his grandfather, Pepin the Middle
or Pepin of Her(i)stal.  It suggests that the transfer of
the byname to the grandson was facilitated by a desire to
contrast him with his 'Great' son and by the fact that his
name was originally a pet name for a small child.

Interesting. But I heard that Pipin WAS rather short.
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