Re: Arab slave import determined history
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- Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 14:08:06 -0700 (PDT)
On Jun 12, 5:46 am, Yusuf B Gursey <y...@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Jun 12, 4:31 am, "M Winther" <m...@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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From: "Yusuf B Gursey" <y...@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Newsgroups: soc.history.medieval
Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2010 8:39 AM
Subject: Re: Arab slave import determined history
It not racism because it is based on fact. Non-Africans have
larger brains. Don't blame me - blame mother nature! It could derive
those studies are open to question.
from the Neanderthals. A recent study bolsters this idea:
"Could our big brains come from Neanderthals?
Study: Gene could only be passed by interbreeding with humans"http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15611031/
The genetic shift took place very rapidly. A thousand years ago
the Arabs had no African markers in their genome. In medieval
times the genome changed rapidly. Why could not such a rapid
change have affected culture?
Muslim culture was on the recovery after the Mongol invasions, if it
were not for the accumulation of wealth and commerce, and hence a
middle class, in Europe due to the discovery of the trade routes
(which was motivated by the resurgence of Islamic power).
There was a noticeable time gap between the Mongolian invasions and
European discovery of the trade route to India so this, while being
(AFAIK) a popular excuse, does not sound convincing.
One of the reasons why the Europeans started looking for these trade
routes (and it had little to do with the middle classes) was a simple
fact that the old routes had been pretty much blocked by the raising
Ottoman. Probably this is what you had been referencing as "the
resurgence of Islamic power".
Another, and again, this was not middle-class related was that the
Portugese started doing quite "logical" thing (neither by geography
nor by time related to the Mongols): began sailing along the Western
coast of Africa in the search of gold and other goods including the
slaves. Henry Navigator and his captains were anything but 'middle
class'.
thereafter,
nto only Arab culture but Muslim culture in general declined.
It was already on a decline by the time the Europeans got around
Africa. Otherwise, European penetration there would be impossible.
there is
a perfectly prosiac explanation. but obviously you are someone that is
wedded to a certain notion and there is no point in discussing it with
you.
Mats
On Jun 12, 1:19 am, "M Winther" <m...@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Arab civilization made great advances in learning and culture up to a
certain point in the middle ages. Then it ran out of steam and lost
its vitality, an occurrence which allowed the European expansion.
the European expansion was made possible by the Euroepean discovery of
trans-Atlantic and a accros the Cape of Good Hope trade routes.
Historians have been puzzled by this reversal. Recently, genetic
research has revealed that sub-Saharan Africans have contributed
greatly to the genome of today's Arab
population.http:>www.biomedcentral.com/1471-2148/10/138
The Arabs imported enormous numbers of African female slaves, a trade
that ended only at the end of the 19th century. Estimates by
historians suggest the extent of the Arab slave trade to between 11 to
25 million black Africans, and from thousands to in excess of one
million Europeans (Wikipedia). The female slaves were exploited
sexually. But, unlike in America, there are no direct descendants of
and their descedants were considered freedmen, according to Islamic
law.
the slaves in the Arab world. This is because Arabs, as a whole, are
descendants of African slaves. The African genome was swallowed up by
the Arab population.
anyway this answers a question posed in a previous thread, in which I
agrued along similar lines (minus the racism)
thread:
http:>tinyurl.com/38c5pfw
first message:
http:>groups.google.com/group/soc.history.medieval/msg/ddf3b63b37aa2970?hl=en
From: Baldoni <Baldoni...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Newsgroups: soc.history.medieval,uk.legal
Subject: How many slaves did the Arabs take from Africa to Arabia etc
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 20:50:00 +0100
Message-ID: <7kh437F39n8o...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
How many African slaves did the Arabs take from Africa and where are
the descendents of these slaves today ?
--
Count Baldoni
In hoc signo vinces
{racism snipped}
Today, research has shown that there is a genetic signal of
Neanderthals in all the non-African genomes.
http:>www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/05/100506141549.htm
This could explain the larger brain of the non-African races.
Neanderthals had a significantly larger brain than Sapiens (it could
have been as much as 20% larger). We are bound to discuss to what
that doesn't mean they were more intelligent. it evens out when
adjusted to their robust body size.
extent our advanced Western civilization depends on our inherited
genetic makeup, and the consequences of an African/Arabic immigration,
whether there can occur a devitalization on lines of the Arabic
reversal. This is not merely an issue of genetics, but also of
culture, as I argue in "An Intrusion of Matriarchal
Consciousness"http:>home7.swipnet.se/~w-73784/matriarchal.htm
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