Re: Jesus Christ -- Clashing Biblical Images

Martin wrote:
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Martin wrote:

"Weland" <giles@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:493c301f$0$17068$6e1ede2f@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx


D. Spencer Hines wrote:


Pogue Gans makes a total mish-mash of things every time he attempts to
discuss Christianity - modern or mediaeval.

He always comes at it from a religiously uneducated atheist's POV --
which is emotionally reinforced by his ethnic Judaism -- therefore he
brings a truckload of emotional baggage to the table -- and many, many
scars and slights -- both Real and Imaginary.

Vide infra pro risibus.

Oh Davey.......grow up.




The Roman Catholic Church during the medieval period was one


of those. The reason was quite simple: the Bible was *never*
regarded as the only source of God's will. In addition was
both custom (mainly oral tradition) and the writings of the
elders.


No. Gans, who is an atheist, gets it wrong.

But then he would wouldn't he.

The three pillars of spiritual knowledge are SCRIPTURE, REASON and
TRADITION.

Um, actually dear boy, Paul got it right. He said the "MEDIEVAL PERIOD", Reason was not in the medieval period one of the three pillars of spiritual knowledge in Early or Medieval Christianity. The formulation you give is post-Reformation.


You sound surprised?



REASON is particularly emphasized in the Church of England [Episcopal
Church]. The Church is quite Cartesian with respect to Right Reason and certainly is not in conflict with Science.

Indeed, and you'll note that the COE was formed in 16th century (post-medieval) and Descartes lived in the 17th century (post-medieval), so once again Paul's characterization of the medieval church stands.


Yet you are still trying to insist that we all believe in your (positively medieval) assurances that the gospels are unsullied by editing or modification Larry.

Except I've never made such a claim. I claimed that *your* characterization of the editing and modification and the extent of it and the motivations for it were historically wrong, something far different than saying that it didn't happen.


Therefore (try applying a little *logic* Larry - it is clearly strange to you) you are claiming that said 'editing' never happened?

No, I'm saying the editing you said happened didn't and the motivations you described weren't the reasons why things were edited or changed and that we certainly can not claim wholesale rewriting of the texts as you claimed.

By insidting I am
wrong, you are claiming you are right - which you aren't!

Well, I am, but not by mere insisting. By dint of familiarity with textual criticism and how ancient texts come down to us. Don't believe me? There are any number of discussion places on the Net for textual criticism, some of them not even religious such as Classics-L, join one and make your claims there and see the response you get. Tell us what one you're joining so a few of us can go over there too and make certain that its a qualified place, and that you are really reporting the responses accurately. I'm sure you'll find a way to wriggle out of this simple test.



Clearly the 'Age of Reason' was just something that

happened to other people...

Apparently not to you.


I'm afraid it has just started Larry -

Your lack of experience with the Age of Reason? Yes, we can see that this is just the tip of iceberg.

you are witnessing the beginning of
it. Don't become one of its first victims!


<snip>


You may well 'snip'... but it will not save you!

Ah, Martin, take your medication please.


I always do, which is why I am obviously so much sharper and further ahead of you Larry.


Yes, most people who are high really think that the drug has made them sharper, better, more aware when the opposite is the case. Its called a trip, dude. Hope you're enjoying it.
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