Re: Is this ng still with Hines, and off-topic?

Michael Kuettner wrote:
"Soren Larsen" schrieb :
Michael Kuettner wrote:
"Soren Larsen" schrieb :
tiglath wrote :


snippage of comments on provinces

I can insert more comments on provinces ;-)

I was afraid of that.


But I think we agree that Varus was an able commander ?

No Scipio, and he made the error of trusting Arminius.

That said he doesn't strike me as incompetent. Just not
good enough to have chance against A after being ambushed
on a prepared battleground.

<snip>
The Romans simply couldn't comprehend that barbarian leaders,
who had tasted roman civilisation would want to reject it.

Not the civilization, the rule of Rome was rejected.
Roman innovations were certainly adopted (as far as the
infra-structure allowed).

This discussion is another big can of worms.

Why ?
Wine was adopted, while aquaeducts weren't.

The Roman civilisation and empire was essentially a bunch
of cities under common rule.

No cities in Barbaricum.


Thusly my mentioning of the infra-structure.
They took what they could. And they (apart from the Northern
Germanics) were certainly changed.

The north germanics were also changed but in different ways.



I do agree that the barbs wanted the fruits of civilisation and
adopted suitable innovations.

You get no "fruits of civilization". If you want wine, you have to
grow the grapes.

They certainly got wine up north judging by the many
wine serving sets they aqquired.

Not many winefields though.



Meaning ? Doing what the tribes were already doing before
the Völkerwanderung (although with plants suited for beer).
The "Roman view" is <ahem> more than slightly tainted.


No question about it.



Yes. Unless someone can show me a Roman manual about how
to fight in the woods, I don't blame Varus.
He had just the bad luck to meet a better general.

In a battle no roman could imagine being setup by
barbarian tribes.

Varus and his army thought they were going to do a bit
of counterinsurgency work and suddenly found themselves
in full blown battle against an opponent who had already
scripted their moves.



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History is not what it used to be.


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