Re: The Knights Templar

am05@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote:

Shaun wrote:

I am working on a 'fantasy' novel involving the Knights Templar. 


As it was said, there is no such a beaten to death subject which can't
be beaten
even further.... :-)


I put
fantasy in quotes because it is actually a science-fiction novel
involving several historical characters and events including Chaucer,
Dante, and the volcano Vesuvius.



Just out of a pure curiosity, Vesuvius qualifies as character or event?


What I am looking for is an adapted history without bias. 


You are in a just in the right place....


There is
obviously a great deal of controversy surrounding this 'Christian'
sect,



Templars were christians (with no '') but they were not a sect. Do you
understand a
difference between sect and religious military order?



and the fur really flies when varying historical characters
involved with this group (Phillip, etc) are found to have their own
agendas.
The recent revival of interest in the Templars,



.... Based mostly on the books filled with the wild speculations and
written for the
people who are too ignorant and too lazy to check elementary facts.
Like the _fact_
that Parisian Meridian is nowhere close to the Church of St. Sulpice:
its location is
clearly indicated by a big monument. That Maria Magdalena was not
exactly rejected
by Catholic Church (one of the biggest churches in Paris is one of
Magdalena),
that 'ashes of the Templars' were not thrown into the Tiber became they
had been
burn in Paris, that initiative was Philip's and not papal (and that at
this time popes
simply did not have enough of a military strenght to arrest the
Templars even if they
wanted to)., etc.


and including
the Masonic Order



Which had nothing to do with the Templars except the reference to the
Solomon's
Temple...


is equally as disturbing. 


Sure, in St. Sulpice they even put a plaque in English explaining in
some details the
idiocies written in 'certain popular book'. Probably all these
questions asked by the
visiting idiots were quite disturbing.


I have elected to use 'The
Knights Templar' as the 'enemy,' or opposition of my novel,



Sorry to tell you but certain Sir. Walter Scott already did this in two
of his books.
So, your idea is not really original....


incorporating it as the military branch of the Masonic Order, 


Isn't it a little bit of a contradiction with the ideals of universal
brotherhood, etc.?


the
political body reserved for the Teutonic Knights.



Why is it neccessary to write about the subjects you have absolutely no
clue about?
The Teutonic Knights were a _military_ order (just as the Templars)
with a clear-cut
beginning and end of its existence.


Yet I do wish to
incorporate real history into this story,



In this case, perhaps it would be benefitial if you start with reading
something serious
on the subject.


and as such I am hoping to
appeal to the brightest minds here.

I do sincerely hope I am not opening a Pandora's Box. 


You are not opening anything of the kind because so far you did not
offer anything,
which would make a slightest sense historically.



I know little
also of many of the other religious sects at the time. (I haven't even
dived into the history of the Ottomans yet!!)



The Ottomans were NOT a religious sect!

But, in a purely humanistic attempt to make your research easier, here
is a free advice.
Search in this group for the posts with the titles like "The Most
Modern View on ....".
Also look for the texts which contain "Fried Templars".


:-)


Did you notice this on the end of his original post?

Shaun Curran - M.A. - British language, literature, and history major,
suffering from Starving Artists' Syndrome.

I'm intrigued with the MA in British language. What is this "British" language? And a history major with so little knowledge of the workings of history?

Hmm

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